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Hi Dr. Sher,
I am 39 DH 43 and we have suffered from infertility for more than a decade now… we had IVF in 2013 one failed and a positive blastocyst x 2 day five transfer which resulted in our beautiful little girl who turns 4 soon. I went to Napro in the hope that we would have another baby and so I could breastfeed my LG for as long as possible. Anyway it Napro did not work so I went back the IVF clinic in 2016 and my AMH had dropped to 2.47. I started stimulated in early 2017 and I needed to do back to back stimulation in order to produce enough eggs (first stimulation did not produce anything follicles or good size) and I got 5 eggs 4 matured. 3 made to day 5 blast and 2 transferred however the cycle failed. And I felt the clinic were not as attentive as I would have liked them to be so I moved also following a doctor who helped us conceive our first lg.
Again I had a poor response in November 2017 (Long Protocol) so that clinic with the Christmas period held off until. I have just finished stimulation and produced 2 follicles. I went ahead with egg collection (clinic were not entirely happy but my husband does not want egg donation and I respect that). One egg made it to blastocyst and is gone for PGS testing. I will be stimulating again once my cycle arrives.
First stimulation: I was on Estradiol 2 mgs TDS for 8 days, then day 2 of my cycle 300iu Menopur and 300iu Gonal F
Second is when my cycle starts day 2 of my cycle 300iu Menopur and 300iu Gonal F.
My question is? Is there anything else I should be on to increase my response? Should I not have been primed again with Estradiol? My recent AMH is 1.05. What about HGH? Any advice greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Debbie
I have Hypothyroidism I am on 175mg Eltroxin and I am on Dhea 75mg, naltrexone 4.5mg, melatonin 3mg and an array of vitamins Q10 vitamin D etc.
Hi Debbie,
You need IVF with egg donation. However, if you insist on trying with own eggs, please consider the following:
The older a woman becomes, the more likely it is that her eggs will be chromosomally/genetically “incompetent” (not have the potential upon being fertilized and transferred, to result in a viable pregnancy). That is why, the likelihood of failure to conceive, miscarrying and of giving birth to a chromosomally defective child (e.g. with Down Syndrome) increases with the woman’s advancing age. In addition, as women age beyond 35Y there is commonly a progressive diminution in the number of eggs left in the ovaries, i.e. diminished ovarian reserve (DOR). So it is that older women as well as those who (regardless of age) have DOR have a reduced potential for IVF success. Much of this is due to the fact that such women tend to have increased production of LH biological activity which can result in excessive LH-induced ovarian male hormone (predominantly testosterone) production which in turn can have a deleterious effect on egg/embryo “competency”.
While it is presently not possible by any means, to reverse the age-related effect on the woman’s “biological clock, certain ovarian stimulation regimes, by promoting excessive LH production (e.g. short agonist/Lupron- “flare” protocols, clomiphene and Letrozole), can make matters worse. Similarly, the amount/dosage of certain fertility drugs that contain LH/hCG (e.g. Menopur) can have a negative effect on the development of the eggs of older women and those who have DOR and should be limited.
I try to avoid using such protocols/regimes (especially) in older women and those with DOR, favoring instead the use of the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol (A/ACP), a modified, long pituitary down-regulation regime, augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend that such women be offered access to embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-selected normal blastocysts, the subsequent selective transfer of which by allowing them to to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality might still exist and thereby “make hay while the sun still shines” could significantly enhance the opportunity to achieve a viable pregnancy
Please visit my new Blog on this very site, http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com, find the “search bar” and type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the “Conventional” Antagonist Approach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
• A Rational Basis for selecting Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) protocols in women with Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Blastocyst Embryo Transfers Should be the Standard of Care in IVF
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It Should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally Abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
•Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas:
•Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF.
•The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
•IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*FYI
The 4th edition of my newest book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Hello Dr. Sher,
I just turned 33 and was diagnosed with pcos last year. My amh is 3.4 and I currently take 850 mg of metformin. My hormones are now in the normal range. I completed my second cycle of ivf a couple of days ago and was advised they found endometriosis in the follicle. My doctor advised I should have a laparoscopy soon. My first cycle I was on the following meds daily: 75 menopur, 225 follistim, ganirelix and 2 ovidrels to trigger. They retrieved 18 eggs and only 4 mature on the first day and 3 matured on the second day. All 7 fertilized and 2 made it to blasts. The 2 blasts tested pgs abnormal. The last cycle (2 months after the first) they stimmed me using 375 gonal f days 1-3, 300 gonal f for days 4 and 5 , 250 gonal f for days 6, 7 and 8, 300 gonal f for days 9 and 10 and then 225 on day 11. On day 12 I triggered with 2 ovidrels. I also took cetrotide for 5 days, menopur for 10 days and 2.9 mg of omnitrope for 12 days, starting 2 days before I started administering the gonal f and menopur. I had 4 mature eggs on day 1 and 5 mature eggs on day 2. Only 1 fertilized from the day 2 batch and Im still waiting to see if it will make it. Im really concerned about them finding the endometriosis in the follicle. Have you seen anything like this? My doctor advised he hasn’t seen anything like this and has over 15 years experience and a highly rated clinic.
Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is a common hormonal system disorder among women affecting between 5% and 10% of women of reproductive age worldwide. Women with PCOS may have enlarged ovaries that contain multiple small collections of fluid (subcapsular microcysts) that are arranged like a “string of pearls” immediately below the ovarian surface (capsule).interspersed by an overgrowth of ovarian connective tissue (stroma). The condition is characterized by abnormal ovarian function (irregular or absent periods, abnormal or absent ovulation and infertility, androgenicity (increased body hair or hirsutism, acne) and increased body weight –body mass index or BMI.
Women with PCOS are at increased risk that ovarian stimulation with gonadotropins will result in the, of development of severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), a life-endangering condition that is often accompanied by a profound reduction in egg “competency” and on fertilization often yield an inordinately high percentage of “incompetent” embryos which have a reduced potential to propagate viable pregnancies.
Concern and even fear that their PCOS patients will develop of OHSS often leads the treating RE to take measures aimed at reducing the risk of this life-endangering condition. One such measures is to “trigger” egg maturation prematurely in the hope of arresting further follicular growth and the other, is to initiate the “trigger” with a reduced dosage of hCG (i.ed. 5,000U rather than the usual 10,000U of of Pregnyl/Profasi/Novarel, to use or 250mcg rather than 500mcg of Ovidrel or to supplant the hCG “trigger” with a Lupron “trigger” which causes a prompt LH surge from the woman’s pituitary gland to take place. While such measures do indeed reduce the risk of OHSS to the mother, this often comes at the expense of egg quantity and “competency”. Fewer than the anticipated number of eggs are harvested and those that are retrieved are far more likely to be “immature” and chromosomally abnormal (aneuploid”), or “immature” , thereby significantly compromising IVF outcome.
Against this background, It is my considered opinion that when it comes to performing IVF in women with PCOS, the most important consideration must be the selection and proper implementation of an individualized or customized ovarian stimulation protocol. Thereupon, rather than prematurely initiating the “trigger” to arrest further follicle growth, administering a reduced dosage of hCG or “triggering with a GnRH agonist (e.g. Lupron/Buserelin) that can compromise egg “competency”….. use of one of the following techniques will often markedly reduce the risk of OHSS while at the same time protecting egg quality:
1. PROLONGED COASTING…my preferred approach: My preferred approach is to use a long pituitary down-regulation protocol coming off the BCP which during the last 3 days is overlapped with the agonist, Lupron/Buserelin/Superfact. The BCP is intended to lower LH and thereby reduce stromal activation (hyperthecosis) in the hope of controlling LH-induced ovarian androgen (predominantly, testosterone) production and release. I then stimulate my PCOS patients using a low dosage of recombinant FSH-(FSHr) such as Follistim/Gonal-F/Puregon. On the 3rd day of such stimulation a smidgeon of LH/hCG (Luveris/Menopur) is added. Thereupon, starting on day 7 of ovarian stimulation, I perform serial blood estradiol (E2) and ultrasound follicle assessments, watching for the number and size of the follicles and the blood estradiol concentration [E2]. I keep stimulating (regardless of the [E2] until 50% of all follicles reach 14mm. At this point, provided the [E2] reaches at least >2,500pg/ml, I stop the agonist as well as gonadotropin stimulation and track the blood E2 concentration daily. The [E2] will almost invariably increase for a few days. I closely monitor the [E2] as it rises, plateaus and then begins to decline. As soon as the [E2] drops below 2500pg/ml (and not before then), I administer a “trigger” shot of 10,000U Profasi/ Novarel/Pregnyl or 500mcg Ovidrel/Ovitrel. This is followed by an egg retrieval, performed 36 hours later. Fertilization is accomplished using intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) because “coasted” eggs usually have little or no cumulus oophoris enveloping them and eggs without a cumulus will not readily fertilize naturally. Moreover, they also tend to have a “hardened” envelopment (zona pellucida), making spontaneous fertilization problematic in many cases. All fertilized eggs are cultured to the blastocyst stage (up to day 5- 6 days) and thereupon are either vitrified and preserved for subsequent transfer in later hormone replacement cycles or (up to 2) blastocysts are transferred to the uterus, transvaginally under transabdominal ultrasound guidance. The success of this approach depends on precise timing of the initiation and conclusion of “prolonged coasting”. If started too early, follicle growth will arrest and the cycle will be lost. If commenced too late, too many follicles will be post-mature/cystic (>22mm) and as such will usually harbor abnormal or dysmature eggs. Use of “Coasting” almost always prevents the development of severe OHSS, optimizes egg/embryo quality and avoids unnecessary cycle cancellation. If correctly implemented, the worst you will encounter is moderate OHSS and this too is relatively uncommon.
2. MULTIPLE FOLLICLE ASPIRATION: In some cases, in spite of best effort, you inadvertently find mean follicle size to exceed 16mm, thereby leaving too little time to implement “coasting”. On other occasions, “coasting” fails to effectively lower the [E2} below 2,500pg/ml within 3 days. In such case the number of developing follicles can effectively and drastically reduced (culled) through selective transvaginal aspiration prior to initiating the “trigger” with 10,000U hCG. This will almost invariably be accompanied by a rapid and significant drop in the plasma estradiol concentration along with a drastic reduction in the risk of OHSS occurring without significantly compromising egg/embryo quality. Upon completing surgical follicular reduction, the surviving follicles can be allowed to continue their full development, at which point the hCG “trigger” can be implemented. The drawback associated with this approach is that it unfortunately interjects an additional surgical intervention into an already complex and stressful situation.
3. EMBRYO FREEZING AND DEFERMENT OF EMBRYO TRANSFEDR (ET): OHSS is always a self-limiting condition. In the absence of continued exposure to hCG, symptoms and signs as well as the risk of severe complications will ultimately abate. Thus, in the absence of pregnancy, all symptoms, signs and risks associated with OHSS will disappear within about 10-14 days of the hCG trigger. Conversely, since early pregnancy is always accompanied by a rapid and progressive rise in hCG , the severity of OHSS will increase until about the 9th or tenth gestational week whereupon a transition from ovarian to placental hormonal dominance occurs, the severity of OHSS rapidly diminishes and the patient will be out of risk. Accordingly, in cases where in spite of best effort to prevent OHSS, the woman develops symptoms and signs of progressive overstimulation prior to planned ET, all the blastocysts should be vitrified and cryostored for FET in a subsequent hormone replacement cycle. In this way women with OHSS can be spared the risk of the condition spiraling out of control.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com . Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
·The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
·Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
·IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
·The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
·Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
·Egg Maturation in IVF: How Egg “Immaturity”, “Post-maturity” and “Dysmaturity” Influence IVF Outcome:
·Commonly Asked Question in IVF: “Why Did so Few of my Eggs Fertilize and, so Many Fail to Reach Blastocyst?”
·Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
·The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
·Taking A Fresh Look at Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), its Presentation, Prevention and Management
·Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
·Understanding Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) and the Need to Customize Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·“Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
·The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
•.Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*FYI
The 4th edition of my newest book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Hello Dr. Sher,
I’m hoping you can help. My husband and I are absolutely devastated and at a loss. I have extremely low ovarian reserve and low AMH. We tried one cycle with my eggs and only retrieved one which fertilized and we did a day 3 transfer, but it was not successful. Our doctor really encouraged us to use donor eggs for the best chance possible of me getting pregnant. We agreed this was our best option and proceeded. For our second cycle we used frozen donor eggs which resulted in 2 blastocysts. We transferred both and ended up with a non viable pregnancy resulting in me needing two rounds of methotrexate. Moving on, we decided to use a fresh donor hoping to get at least a handful of embryos so we would have a few shots at getting pregnant. We chose our donor, our clinic thought she would be a great candidate because she had an AMH of 4 and an antre follicle count of 27. I don’t know doses because they did not share that detail but I do know they put her on the antagonist + lupron trigger protocol. Her retrieval was this past Tuesday and based on her follicle count and sizes they were estimating getting at least 14 eggs. Unfortunately they only got 3. We spent so much money on this cycle and are so frustrated because the clinic is telling us they have no idea what could have happened and that they’ve never seen this before. They said she just a bunch of follicles with nothing in them. At first we believed them, but my husband and I are both in the healthcare profession and feel that this response from them was inadequate after all we’ve been through. That’s when I started reasearching what could possibly cause follicles to be empty and I came across your post about the lupron trigger. Does this sound like that’s what happened here? What is your take on frozen vs fresh donors. Now that we will again likely have to start from scratch we are left not knowing what to do. We have already spent so much money and don’t even feel like we can trust our clinic at this point. We are at a loss. Any words of advice would be appreciated. I apologize for the lengthy post 🙂
Very respectfully, in my opinion, this could explain your situation…at least in part.The fact that they used a Lupron trigger suggests a fear that the donor might hyperstimulate and Lupron trigger can help mitigated the serious consequences of OHSS….but this can come at the expense of egg ‘competency”. Also, if the donor was in fact overstimulating it is possible that the stimulation was cut short to try and avert OHSS. If so, the eggs might not have developed sufficiently to insure proper maturation and this too could be a factor.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•Should IVF Treatment Cycles be provided uninterrupted or be Conducted in 7-12 Pre-scheduled “Batches” per Year
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF :
•IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
•Taking A Fresh Look at Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), its Presentation, Prevention and Management
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
• “Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
•The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
If you are interested in my advice or medical services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com. You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com.
Also, my book, “In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
What’s your consultation fee? When is your first availability for consultation? Thank you.
Please call Tina at 702-892-9696 on Monday for this information.
Geoff Sher
Dear Dr. Sher:
My wife had a very high concentration of CD16- NK cells–47%–and we did intralipid infusion 20 mL at first. This brought the concentration to 13%. A second infusion with 10 mL of intralipid brought them down to 8.6% with a reference range of 6.5 to 13.5%. The NK cell activity was brought down to 10.6% from 11.2% after the second infusion. We need to make another infusion now, and we wonder how much intralipid to take? We are worried that if we take too much intralipid, the CD16- cells may drop below the lower reference limit. Is this dangerous? On the other hand, the NK cell activity seems to drop less with each infusion, so it may demand a higher amount of intralipid. How much intralipid would you recommend?
Thank you very much indeed.
Steve
It is not necessary to do frequent IL infusions. It should be repeated once at the time of a +ve beta hCG and then is probably not required any further in most cases.
Good luck!
Geoff Sher