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I recently had a AAA graded embryo that was sent for PGD testing. The cells showed No data. The embryologists received the no data results and unthawed the embryo to retrieve more cells in order to test once more. The second test showed No data as well. Is it possible that this AAA grade embryo is abnormal causing the No data results? Or is it just as possible that this embryo is normal. I am 41 years old and also have another AAA, and AAB graded embryo that was PGD tested. Both embryos have been PGD tested as normal. At time of retrieval 2 months ago I had 15 follicles and 12 of which were functioning. 9 eggs were retrieved, 8 mature, 7 fertilized, 6 were 5 day blasts. All 6 were PGD tested – 2 were normal and 1 no data.
Trecia
That is very unusual. I would point out that thawing frozen embryos to retest them chromosomally, only to refreeze and then rethaw again for an FET is very stressful on the embryos, so handled. i do not advocate it.
Good luck!’
Geoff Sher
Dear Dr. Sher,
I’m 31 years old and have had 10 unsuccessful IUIs with frozen donor sperm (On #11 now, as my insurance requires 12 “attempts” before it will cover infertility treatment and natural conception is not an option for my wife and me). My gut tells me that my inability to conceive is immune related—definitely implantation-related. I have very regular menstrual cycles, follicle growth is regular/consistent with every cycle, and evidence of ovulation is pretty clear. My lining thickness is always at least 9mm before triggering. I have no history of menstrual/gynecological issues, aside from a few small fibroids found when I began the process. Sonohysterogram confirmed that they would not be a factor in implantation. HSG was regular. Day 3 Fertility profile was perfect. I take 100mg of progesterone vaginally staring 2 days after IUI (I have no evidence of luteal phase defect/low progesterone—this is more a precaution than anything).
I don’t have any diagnosed autoimmune conditions, but I can’t think of any other explanation for my inability to conceive. I also had one chemical pregnancy on IUI #4 and nothing since. I understand that with IVF, we will learn whether or not embryo quality is good, but I’d like to be proactive with the implantation issue because I truly feel this is where the problem lies. The only issue I have had since trying to conceive is very, very mild uterine cramping on and off during the entire two week wait. It is not painful, but I have an awareness of it. No one has been able to offer a reasonable explanation for this symptom. I have taken a couple months off randomly and there is no cramping, nor had I ever experienced cramping during my luteal phase before trying to conceive. It is only IUI cycles, and it is not just immediately following IUI. In fact, the cramping often subsides for a few days to a week following IUI, and then resumes.
I’m considering changing REs if I have to go forward with IVF, since I don’t feel my current RE has invested much in my case at this point. I’m also concerned she might be a bit “by the book” and will be unwilling to pursue immune testing prior to or during the IVF process. I see there is a SIRM location in New York, but it is really not an option for me to travel for treatment, so I was wondering if you knew of any folks in the Boston area that are immune friendly when is comes to implantation issues.
Thank you for your wonderful work and informative blog. I have found this information very interesting and enlightening during this process.
Any insight you might have would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time,
Emma
I absolutely agree with you. Unless there is a male factor here, it sounds very much like you have an implantation dysfunction, probably immunologic.
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Geoff Sher
Hi Doctor,
I am 39 year old female AMH 2.68 FSH 6.74 AND MY Antral Follicle Count was 36.
I am in my first IVF treatment… Took BCP for 14 days and then Menopur 150mg, Gonal F 300. on Day 5 ultrasound had 6 follicles over 10mm but my E2 was 930. Started Cetrotide on Day 6. My Day 8 Ultrasound still showed only 6 follicles ranging from 10mm-18mm and me E2 was 1978.
Day 10 Ultrasound showed 6 follicles with E2 at 3792.
My question is: Is there a reason you believe my E2 is high but not producing that many follicles?
With my AFC so high and AMH and FSH at pretty good levels for my age I thought I would produce many more follicles. Doesn’t it correlate?
Also, with my levels and age, is this a similar protocol you like to start women on or do you prefer another?
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Frankly, if you are talking about 3792 pg/ml (rather than pMol/L), you should have MANY more follicles with that E2 level.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher
I read on your blog that for alloimmune issues, intralipids are infused every 2-4 weeks for 24 weeks. How do we decide on the number of weeks, 2, 3 or 4 weeks? Is there a difference between 2 and 3 weeks, is one safer for the embryo?
Thanks
No data to show any real benefit and thus probably no difference. However, my preference is to recommend 2 weekly infusions…just in case.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr. Sher,
What are your thoughts on thawing previously frozen embryos for pgs testing and then re-freezing? We have 6 frozen untested embryos.
It will be too stressful for the embryos and thus in my opinion would be counter-productive.
Geoff Sher