Ask Our Doctors – Archive
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I’m thinking of doing natural ivfs every month. Is it safe to be sedated every month though and is the actual process of egg retrieval safe to do every month?
Mini-IVF is a procedure that involves ovarian stimulation using low dosage medications (often oral drugs like clomiphene and letrozole) under the premise that it is a “safer” and less expensive than conventional gonadotropin stimulation regimes while yielding comparable success. …….. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that success rates per fresh mini-IVF cycle ranges between 10% and 12%s (i.e., about one third of that which reported national average for conventional IVF performed on women under 39y of age) ). And when it comes to older women and those with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR), the success rate with mini-IVF is usually much lower still.
There can be little doubt that aside from a woman’s age, the method used for ovarian stimulation represents the most important determinant of egg/embryo quality and thus of IVF outcome. There is no single stimulation protocol that is suitable for all IVF patients. It must be individualized…. especially when it comes to women who, regardless of their age have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) and for women over >40y of age. The reason for this is that in such cases, the pituitary gland often over-produces LH which in turn causes the ovarian stroma/theca (connective tissue) to thicken (stromal hyperplasia/hyperthecosis) and over-produce male hormones (mainly testosterone). This in turn adversely influences egg and follicle growth, resulting in poor egg/embryo “competency” and compromised IVF outcome.
So let us examine the validity of the claims made in support of mini-IVF:
1.Milder stimulation using oral agents such as clomiphene, letrozole (alone or in combination with low dosage gonadotropins (Follistim/Gonal-F/Puregon/Menopur) reduces stress on the ovaries and overall risk associated with IVF. This argument while perhaps having some merit when applied to mini-IVF conducted in younger women who also have normal ovarian reserve, does not hold water for older women and those with DOR who (s stated above) often already have excessive LH-induced ovarian testosterone production. Furthermore, addition of clomiphene and letrozole by further increasing pituitary LH (and thus ovarian testosterone) only serves to add “fuel to the fire” in such cases and Menopur which contains both LH and hCG ( that both have similar effects on ovarian testosterone production), if administered in large amounts (>75U per day) can also do harm in my opionion.
2.Women with DOR will respond better to “milder stimulation” and egg quality will so be enhanced. This assertion borders on the ridiculous. It is like saying that applying less force to a heavier object will increase the likelihood of moving it”. That is simply not how FSH stimulates follicle development. You see…the cell membranes that envelop the follicular granulosa cells that line the inside surface of ovarian follicles have on their surfaces, a finite number of FSH receptors. FSH molecules attach to these receptors and mediate intracellular events that lead to granulosa cell proliferation with production of estradiol and the concurrent development of the egg (oogenesis) that is attached to the inner wall of the follicle. Once all the FSH receptors on the cell membranes are saturated, any residual FSH is discarded. This is why, when it comes to older women and women with DOR whose granulose cell membranes harbor fewer FSH receptors, it is virtually impossible to overstimulate them. Excessive FSH will simply be rejected and discarded.
3. Use of fewer drugs translates into lower cost. This would be true, were it not for the fact that success rates with mini-IVF across the board are much lower than with conventional ovarian stimulation. More important is the fact that the cost of IVF should be expressed in terms of “the cost of having a baby” rather than “cost per cycle of treatment”. When this is taken into account the cost associated with mini-IVF will b be significantly higher than conventional IVF. Then there is the additional emotional cost associated with a much higher IVF failure rate with mini-IVF.
4.Mini-IVF is less technology driven, less stressful and easier to execute. This assertion is in my opinion also without merit. Aside from reduced cost of medications, the same monitoring and laboratory procedures are needed for mini-IVF as with conventional treatment.
What is the best approach? When it comes to older women and those with DOR, it is in my opinion preferable to use a long pituitary down-regulation protocol with conversion from an I.M agonist (e.g. Lupron or Buserelin) to an antagonist such as Cetrotide/Orgalutron or Ganirelix (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol) augmented with human growth hormone (HGH) and/or estrogen priming and combing this “embryo banking” over several cycles. In such cases preimplantation genetic screening (PGS) can be incorporated to help select the most “competent” embryos for transfer.
What about younger women with normal or increased ovarian reserve? If mini-IVF has any role at all, it could be in young women who have normal or increased ovarian reserve. I do not o not advocate aggressively stimulating the ovaries of younger women who have normal or increased ovarian reserve (as assessed by basal FSH, AMH and estradiol) simply to try and access more eggs. In fact, such an approach is neither safe nor acceptable. In such women it is often wiser to use lower dosage stimulation to try and prevent the development of severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) which aside from putting the woman at severe risk of (sometimes) life-endangering complications, can also compromise egg/embryo quality. However, it is my fervent belief that in such women, the preferred approach to ovarian stimulation is through the use of low dosage FSHr-dominant gonadotropins (rather than oral agents such as clomiphene or letrozole and/or high dosage Menopur). This approach is referred to as Micro-IVF.
If you are interested in my advice or medical services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com. You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com.
Also, my book, “In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
hi doctor, so far i went through 2 IUIs, 5 retrievals, and 4 fresh transfer and 3 frozen transfers and all unsuccessful. Now i am hopeless. the first ever frozen transfer actually got positive to first and second HCG beta test but got negative after. 3 specialist i have been through and no one clearly able to say why this is happening. first we diagnosed with low sperm count than after we are just keep going through this again and again. Now my doctor thinks it may be just quality of egg but on the measuring scale my embryos always rated good not even questionable. Now i have two more frozen embryos but my guess is i have some problem with implantation. I am in chicago and honestly in past ten years whatever my savings are, all gone. now i am at the point that i have to sell my car too. so at this point i am completely hopeless and think i should give up. If you think about any test needed which can help i will get it done. i wish i should have enough money so i can do consultation with you and may be you can find out some issue which needs to be taken care of to get success. Please let me know if you can help me in any ways.
Thank you
Hi,
I had my egg retrieval yesterday and they retrieved around 13 eggs and today I received a call from my nurse that only 1 egg got fertilized out of 9 mature eggs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. How much is my chance for a successful pregnancy
This does not sound very promising.
f you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*The 4th edition of my book,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Hi again DR.
As you know my hcg at 10dp5d FET was 930. I need to do another test at 14 days past. What should my level be then?
>3,500MIU/ml.
Good luck!
Geoff Sher
Dear Dr Sher
My gyneacologist prescribed clomid – I am 36. I took two cycles and then decided to stop as it lengthened my last cycle to over 50 days. I am now on the first cycle after clomid, on day 30 and no menstruation in sight. How long on average to reverse this? Also, I since went to a fertility specialist who diagnosed diminished ovarian reserve. I used to have 27 day cycles so seems like the clomid has done more damage than helping me. Please, any advice to support normal cycles and ovarian health? Should I consider IVF immediately? Kind Regards
Respectfully, I do not agree with using clomiphene in women with DOR.
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*The 4th edition of my book,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD