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Hello Dr. Sher, Thanks a lot for tons of info on your website as well as great insights in your responses. Have a quick question.
I did NK testing at Reprosource and the results didn’t show any immunology issues, so apparently don’t require IL treatment. I have an upcoming FET and I was wondering
1. if I can still take Medrol for 8mg/day for 4 days prior to transfer. Will it help in implantation in your opinion?
2. If so, should I as well wean off post transfer i.e. continue Medrol but with smaller dosage – 4mg/day – after transfer for few days? Can Medrol cross placenta and affect the baby?
3. Should I change to a different corticosteroid with different dosage/duration?
FYI – have only one frozen embryo so trying to play it really safe here. Would really appreciate your insights. Please let me know.
Regards.
Monica
1. if I can still take Medrol for 8mg/day for 4 days prior to transfer. Will it help in implantation in your opinion?
A: You can, but I prefer using dexamethasone 0.75mg daily from the start of the cycle
2. If so, should I as well wean off post transfer i.e. continue Medrol but with smaller dosage – 4mg/day – after transfer for few days? Can Medrol cross placenta and affect the baby?
A: I continue with the steroid until the 8th week of pregnancy (or until pregnancy is discounted) at which time I wean my patients of this over 2-3 weeks.
3. Should I change to a different corticosteroid with different dosage/duration?
A: See above
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher,
What combination works better with the Lupron trigger shot, ovidrel or Pregnyl and what doses? My Dr wants to use Lupron to avoid OHSS with Covid going on as less exposure is better in the hospitals these days. Don’t want to end up in the hospital for OHSS. Yet at the same time I want to ensure the dose/combination is right to send the eggs into Meiosis.
I really appreciate your opinion. What do you recommend to avoid OHSS and make sure eggs go through Meiosis?
Thank you
Sarah
I do not use the agonist “trigger ever! There are other ways to prevent severe OHSS without compromising egg/embryo “competency”.
Severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) is a life-endangering complication that occurs in some women undergoing controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). OHSS is often accompanied by a profound reduction in egg “competency” and on fertilization often yield an inordinately high percentage of “incompetent” embryos which have a reduced potential to propagate viable pregnancies.
Concern that a patient will develop of OHSS often leads the treating RE to take measures aimed at reducing the risk of this life-endangering condition. One such measures is to “trigger” egg maturation prematurely in the hope of arresting further follicular growth and the other, is to initiate the “trigger” with a reduced dosage of hCG (i.ed. 5,000U rather than the usual 10,000U of of Pregnyl/Profasi/Novarel, to use or 250mcg rather than 500mcg of Ovidrel or to supplant the hCG “trigger” with a Lupron “trigger” which causes a prompt LH surge from the woman’s pituitary gland to take place. While such measures do indeed reduce the risk of OHSS to the mother, this often comes at the expense of egg quantity and “competency”. Fewer than the anticipated number of eggs are harvested and those that are retrieved are far more likely to be “immature” and chromosomally abnormal (aneuploid”), or “immature” , thereby significantly compromising IVF outcome.
Against this background, It is my considered opinion that when it comes to performing IVF in women at risk of developing OHSS, the most important consideration must be the selection and proper implementation of an individualized or customized ovarian stimulation protocol. Thereupon, rather than prematurely initiating the “trigger” to arrest further follicle growth, administering a reduced dosage of hCG or “triggering with a GnRH agonist (e.g. Lupron/Buserelin) that can compromise egg “competency”….. use of one of the following techniques will often markedly reduce the risk of OHSS while at the same time protecting egg quality:
1.PROLONGED COASTING (PC): OHSS can be a life-endangering complication of ovarian stimulation with gonadotropins. The risk of OHSS begins with the hCG “trigger”. The complication occurs in very high responders to gonadotropin stimulation. Women with PC0S, irregular cycles and AMH levels that are X3 the normal are at the greatest risk of developing OHSS. In such patients, ovarian stimulation commences with the same approach as above (using a BCP launch and an agonist (e.g Lupron/buserelin/Superfact/aminopeptidyl) overlap. Only in such patients a very low dosage regime of FSHr /menotropin isused . Then, starting on day 7 of ovarian stimulation, serial daily blood estradiol (E2) and ultrasound follicle assessments are done to track follicle development and [E2]. If there are > 25 follicles, gonadotropin stimulating continues, regardless of the [E2]. As soon as 50% of all follicles reach 14mm and the [E2] exceeds 2,500pg/ml gonadotropin stimulation id abruptly stopped, while daily agonist injections continue. Daily blood [E2 ] is tracked, (without necessarily continuing serial ultrasound follicle measurements). The [E2] will almost invariably continue to rise for a few days whereupon it will begin to, drop. As soon as the [E2] drops below 2,500pg/ml, a “trigger” shot of 10,000U hCGu or hCGr is administered and an egg retrieval is performed 36 hours later. At this point, All mature (MII) eggs are either cryobanked (vitrified) or (as is far more commonly the case), are fertilized by intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection (ICSI) and are then cultured for 5-6 days to the blastocyst stage whereupon they are either biopsied for preimplantation genetic screening and then cryopreserved (vitrified) for future use vitrified without prior biopsy for PGS or e transferred fresh, to the uterus during the same cycle of treatment. The outcome of PC depends on the precise timing of the initiation and conclusion of “prolonged coasting”. If you start PC too early, follicle growth will arrest, and the cycle will be lost. Conversely, if you start too late, you will encounter too many post-mature/cystic follicles (>22mm) that usually harbor abnormally developed eggs. Use of “Coasting” avoids severe OHSS, and minimizes the risk of poor egg/embryo quality in a group of women who otherwise would be at severe risk of life-endangering complications and prone to producing a high percentage of “incompetent” eggs/embryos.
2.EMBRYO FREEZING AND DEFERMENT OF EMBRYO TRANSFEDR (ET): OHSS is always a self-limiting condition. In the absence of continued exposure to hCG, symptoms and signs as well as the risk of severe complications will ultimately abate. Thus, in the absence of pregnancy, all symptoms, signs and risks associated with OHSS will disappear within about 10-14 days of the hCG trigger. Conversely, since early pregnancy is always accompanied by a rapid and progressive rise in hCG , the severity of OHSS will increase until about the 9th or tenth gestational week whereupon a transition from ovarian to placental hormonal dominance occurs, the severity of OHSS rapidly diminishes and the patient will be out of risk. Accordingly, in cases where in spite of best effort to prevent OHSS, the woman develops symptoms and signs of progressive overstimulation prior to planned ET, all the blastocysts should be vitrified and cryostored for FET in a subsequent hormone replacement cycle. In this way women with OHSS can be spared the risk of the condition spiraling out of control.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com . Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
·The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
·Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
·IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
·The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
·Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
·Egg Maturation in IVF: How Egg “Immaturity”, “Post-maturity” and “Dysmaturity” Influence IVF Outcome:
·Commonly Asked Question in IVF: “Why Did so Few of my Eggs Fertilize and, so Many Fail to Reach Blastocyst?”
·Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
·The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
·Taking A Fresh Look at Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), its Presentation, Prevention and Management
·Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
·Understanding Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) and the Need to Customize Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·“Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
·The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
•.Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
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ADDENDUM: PLEASE READ!!
INTRODUCING SHER FERTILITY SOLUTIONS (SFS)
Founded in April 2019, Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) offers online (Skype/FaceTime) consultations to patients from > 40 different countries. All consultations are followed by a detailed written report presenting my personal recommendations for treatment of what often constitute complex Reproductive Issues.
If you wish to schedule an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant (Patti Converse) by phone (800-780-7437/702-533-2691), email (concierge@SherIVF.com) or, enroll online on then home-page of my website (www.SherIVF.com).
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT SFS!
Geoff Sher
Dr. Sher,
I am a 35y/o female currently going through egg freezing. I was told my ovarian reserve was high, with around 26 follicles on each side. I have been taking Menopur 75IU once/day, Gonal-F 150IU once/day for 10 days. Also 0.25 – 0.50mg of Cetrotide for the past 6 days. This morning my ESTRADIOL level was 2598, my follicles showed: 15.12mm, 17.28mm, 16.17mm, 13.11mm, 19.22mm, 14.51mm, 13.03mm, 12.23mm, 15.88mm, 11.43mm, 12.81mm, 13.46mm, 14.66mm, 9.88mm, 16.06mm, 14.64mm, 16.77mm, 17.14mm, 11.81mm, 13.64mm, plus 20 little ones that weren’t measured. My planned trigger shot is tonight with 3000 IU of Pregnyl along with 80IU of Lupron. Then I’m scheduled to go for the Egg Retrieval in 36 hours.
Seeing your answers here to many patients here on this forum, it looks like you are concerned that Lupron may cause low-quality eggs or “empty” follicles. But I believe they wanted to reduce my risk for OHSS. Should I be concerned? What are some questions I should be asking my provider when I go for my ER? I feel that my clinic is not as patient when it comes to talking with patients and would really like to get your opinion. Thank you!
Kathy, with the exception of 1 follicle of 19mm, the vast majority of the remainder are in my opinion, still too early for the “trigger”. It is true that the Lupron trigger will reduce the risk of OHSS, but in my opinion, (especially with so many follicles), egg quality will likely be compromised. There are, in my opinion, other ways to protect against OHSS.
Severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) is a life-endangering complication that occurs in some women undergoing controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). OHSS is often accompanied by a profound reduction in egg “competency” and on fertilization often yield an inordinately high percentage of “incompetent” embryos which have a reduced potential to propagate viable pregnancies.
Concern that a patient will develop of OHSS often leads the treating RE to take measures aimed at reducing the risk of this life-endangering condition. One such measures is to “trigger” egg maturation prematurely in the hope of arresting further follicular growth and the other, is to initiate the “trigger” with a reduced dosage of hCG (i.ed. 5,000U rather than the usual 10,000U of of Pregnyl/Profasi/Novarel, to use or 250mcg rather than 500mcg of Ovidrel or to supplant the hCG “trigger” with a Lupron “trigger” which causes a prompt LH surge from the woman’s pituitary gland to take place. While such measures do indeed reduce the risk of OHSS to the mother, this often comes at the expense of egg quantity and “competency”. Fewer than the anticipated number of eggs are harvested and those that are retrieved are far more likely to be “immature” and chromosomally abnormal (aneuploid”), or “immature” , thereby significantly compromising IVF outcome.
Against this background, It is my considered opinion that when it comes to performing IVF in women at risk of developing OHSS, the most important consideration must be the selection and proper implementation of an individualized or customized ovarian stimulation protocol. Thereupon, rather than prematurely initiating the “trigger” to arrest further follicle growth, administering a reduced dosage of hCG or “triggering with a GnRH agonist (e.g. Lupron/Buserelin) that can compromise egg “competency”….. use of one of the following techniques will often markedly reduce the risk of OHSS while at the same time protecting egg quality:
1.PROLONGED COASTING (PC): OHSS can be a life-endangering complication of ovarian stimulation with gonadotropins. The risk of OHSS begins with the hCG “trigger”. The complication occurs in very high responders to gonadotropin stimulation. Women with PC0S, irregular cycles and AMH levels that are X3 the normal are at the greatest risk of developing OHSS. In such patients, ovarian stimulation commences with the same approach as above (using a BCP launch and an agonist (e.g Lupron/buserelin/Superfact/aminopeptidyl) overlap. Only in such patients a very low dosage regime of FSHr /menotropin isused . Then, starting on day 7 of ovarian stimulation, serial daily blood estradiol (E2) and ultrasound follicle assessments are done to track follicle development and [E2]. If there are > 25 follicles, gonadotropin stimulating continues, regardless of the [E2]. As soon as 50% of all follicles reach 14mm and the [E2] exceeds 2,500pg/ml gonadotropin stimulation id abruptly stopped, while daily agonist injections continue. Daily blood [E2 ] is tracked, (without necessarily continuing serial ultrasound follicle measurements). The [E2] will almost invariably continue to rise for a few days whereupon it will begin to, drop. As soon as the [E2] drops below 2,500pg/ml, a “trigger” shot of 10,000U hCGu or hCGr is administered and an egg retrieval is performed 36 hours later. At this point, All mature (MII) eggs are either cryobanked (vitrified) or (as is far more commonly the case), are fertilized by intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection (ICSI) and are then cultured for 5-6 days to the blastocyst stage whereupon they are either biopsied for preimplantation genetic screening and then cryopreserved (vitrified) for future use vitrified without prior biopsy for PGS or e transferred fresh, to the uterus during the same cycle of treatment. The outcome of PC depends on the precise timing of the initiation and conclusion of “prolonged coasting”. If you start PC too early, follicle growth will arrest, and the cycle will be lost. Conversely, if you start too late, you will encounter too many post-mature/cystic follicles (>22mm) that usually harbor abnormally developed eggs. Use of “Coasting” avoids severe OHSS, and minimizes the risk of poor egg/embryo quality in a group of women who otherwise would be at severe risk of life-endangering complications and prone to producing a high percentage of “incompetent” eggs/embryos.
2.EMBRYO FREEZING AND DEFERMENT OF EMBRYO TRANSFEDR (ET): OHSS is always a self-limiting condition. In the absence of continued exposure to hCG, symptoms and signs as well as the risk of severe complications will ultimately abate. Thus, in the absence of pregnancy, all symptoms, signs and risks associated with OHSS will disappear within about 10-14 days of the hCG trigger. Conversely, since early pregnancy is always accompanied by a rapid and progressive rise in hCG , the severity of OHSS will increase until about the 9th or tenth gestational week whereupon a transition from ovarian to placental hormonal dominance occurs, the severity of OHSS rapidly diminishes and the patient will be out of risk. Accordingly, in cases where in spite of best effort to prevent OHSS, the woman develops symptoms and signs of progressive overstimulation prior to planned ET, all the blastocysts should be vitrified and cryostored for FET in a subsequent hormone replacement cycle. In this way women with OHSS can be spared the risk of the condition spiraling out of control.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com . Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
·The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
·Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
·IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
·The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
·Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
·Egg Maturation in IVF: How Egg “Immaturity”, “Post-maturity” and “Dysmaturity” Influence IVF Outcome:
·Commonly Asked Question in IVF: “Why Did so Few of my Eggs Fertilize and, so Many Fail to Reach Blastocyst?”
·Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
·The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
·Taking A Fresh Look at Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), its Presentation, Prevention and Management
·Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
·Understanding Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) and the Need to Customize Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
·“Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
·The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
•.Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
______________________________________________________
ADDENDUM: PLEASE READ!!
INTRODUCING SHER FERTILITY SOLUTIONS (SFS)
Founded in April 2019, Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) offers online (Skype/FaceTime) consultations to patients from > 40 different countries. All consultations are followed by a detailed written report presenting my personal recommendations for treatment of what often constitute complex Reproductive Issues.
If you wish to schedule an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant (Patti Converse) by phone (800-780-7437/702-533-2691), email (concierge@SherIVF.com) or, enroll online on then home-page of my website (www.SherIVF.com).
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT SFS!
Geoff Sher
Dear Dr.Sher
Is 37.5 units of menopur started on day 3 of stims enough for let’s say 20 eggs to go through proper meiosis? I’m too scared to use anymore more menopur than that.
Thank you very Mindy
I do not have access to all the background information upon which this decision was made…but I would doubt this very low dosage alone would be adequate.
Geoff Sher
Hello,
Do these numbers look okay. Even though they have not doubled over 24 hours.
21 dpo – hcg 4910
23 dpo – 7400.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thankyou
Yes they look reasonable. One the hCG reaches arounf 5,ooo. it does no longer double every 2n days.
Geoff Sher