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Do these levels look ok before stopping PIO and estradiol? I’m 12w5d with our only embryo after five natural miscarriages. Waiting to hear back from the clinic but would love a second opinion!
Estradiol- 2,692 pg/ml
Progesterone- 37.8 ng/ml
Looks encouraging…However US findings are much more evidentiary of a successful pregnancy.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr. Sher,
After two rounds we finally got one healthy embryo (6day 4BB),FET transfer last month and HCG numbers have been doubling appropriately. At 6w3d I started bleeding heavily and passing very large clots, lasted on and off about an hour. Went in today at 6w4d and gestational sac is visible as is yolk sac (4.08mm). She “thought “ she could see the fetus, I am returning in two days. Is this concerning or would you say within reason for what I can expect at 6w4d. I’m just so concerned about where all this blood came from and why it happened. Thanks so much
It could be local cervical bleeding. Ask your RE to do a speculum examination . I would wait a week before doing another US.
Geoff Sher
Dear Doctor , sorry to bother you again. Had asked you twice regarding medrol and intralipid. I had intralipid 10 days before Embryo transfer , at 28/06 and medrol started from 29/06. Emvryo transfer effected at 08/07 and today 19/07 blood test – beta HCG shows 125. In 2 days I will recheck beta HCG blood test. When do I have to infuse again intralipid ? How many infusions do I have to make in total and how often ? Thank you in advance for your advise.
It depends whether this is an autoimmune or alloimmune implantation dysfunction. If the former, then 1 more infusion now is adequate. If alloimmune, then repeated infusions every 2-4 weeks until the 222nd week of pregnancy is advised………
Central to making a diagnosis of an immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID) is a need for the appropriate interpretation of Natural Killer Cell Activity (NKa). In this regard, one of the commonest and most serious errors, is interpret the blood concentration of natural killer cells as being relevant. Rather it is the activity (toxicity) of NK cells that matters as mentioned. This activity can best be measured using the blood, K-562 target cell test (the gold standard). and/ or endometrial biopsy for cytokine activity.
With the K-562 test, the most important consideration is the percentage of target cells “killed” in the “native state”. In most cases a level of >10% killing should be regarded with suspicion and >12% overtly abnormal. In addition to reporting the result of the K-562 test, in the “native state” (without adding, Immunoglobulin-G (IVIG) or Intralipid (IL) which many Laboratories erroneously do to try and determine whether either or both of these immune therapies would have a therapeutic benefit or is/are unlikely to be of clinical value. The entire premise upon which this assertion is based, is in my opinion flawed. Clinically such NK cell deactivation can only be significantly affected in vivo as it takes more than a week following infusion to occur. Thus, what happens to the percentage of target cells killed with the K-562 test, by adding IVIG or IL is in my opinion irrelevant
Another way to assess endometrial NKa is by measuring TH-1 and TH-2 cytokines in endometrial tissue derived through biopsy.TH-1 cytokines kill the trophoblast (the root system of the embryo). Thus if is an excess of TH-1 cytokine activity is found with/without a disruption in the TH-1: TH-2 ratio, this points to NK cell activation.
There are basically two causes of immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID), a) Autoimmune (85%) & , b) Alloimmune (15%). The former occurs when the body reacts to its own tissue and the latter (far less common) when the male and female partners share certain genotypic similarities involving DQ alpha and HLA genes. In both cases IID results in rejection of the pregnancy due to uterine Natural Killer (NK) Cell and T-cell activation leading to the release of an excessive amount of TH-1 cytokines. These, “toxins” attack the embryo’s root system (trophoblast), killing the cells and causing implantation to fail.
Autoimmune Implantation Dysfunction: Autoimmune implantation dysfunction, most commonly presents with presumed “infertility” due to such early pregnancy losses that the woman did not even know she was pregnant in the first place. Sometimes there as an early miscarriage. Tests required are: a) blood levels of all IgA, IgG and IgM-related antiphospholipid antibodies (APA’s) directed against six or seven specific phospholipids, b) both antithyroid antibodies (antithyroid and antimicrosomal antibodies), c) a comprehensive reproductive immunophenotype (RIP) and, c) most importantly, assessment of Natural Killer (NK) cell activity (rather than concentration) by measuring by their killing, using the K-562 target cell test and/or endometrial cytokine activity tests.
It is important to recognize that currently there are only about 3 or 4 Reproductive Immunology Reference Laboratories in the U.S.A that, are capable of reliably analyzing the required elements with a sufficient degree of sensitivity and specificity. I use a Reprosource, a laboratory located in Boston,MA.
Patients with Alloimmune implantation Dysfunction usually present with a history of unexplained (usually repeated) miscarriages or secondary infertility (where the woman conceived initially and thereupon was either unable to conceive again or started having repeated early miscarriages. However, it can also present as “presumed” primary infertility. Alloimmune dysfunction is diagnosed by testing the blood of both the male and female partners for matching DQ alpha genes and NK/CTL activation. It is important to note that any DQ alpha match (partial or complete) will only result in an IID when there both a DQa/HLA match exists along with NK cell activation. With the exception of cases where both partners have a total (absolute DQa match and treatment requires the use of sperm from a non-matching sperm donor, about 90% of cases alloimmune implantation will have a partial match where 1: 2 embryos will match the woman’s DQa genotype and half will not. In cases of an alloimmune dysfunction (with associated NKa), treatment with IL or IVIG will in my opinion, will not protect against a matching embryo being rejected. It can only clear the NK environment for an embryo that does not match the woman’s DQa genotype. For this reason, it is my opinion that only 1 embryo should be transferred at a time because, given the fact that i:2 embryos will match, transferring >1 embryo at a time creates a risk that the matching embryo will evoke a local NKa/’cytokine response that will “muddy the water” for both. Thus, in cases of a “partial” DQa match I recommend against transferring more than a single embryo at a time.
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I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements for Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•The Role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 1-Background
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 2- Making a Diagnosis
•Immunologic Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 3-Treatment
•Thyroid autoantibodies and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) Why did my IVF Fail
•Recurrent Pregnancy Loss (RPL): Why do I keep losing my Pregnancies
•Genetically Testing Embryos for IVF
•Staggered IVF
•Staggered IVF with PGS- Selection of “Competent” Embryos Greatly Enhances the Utility & Efficiency of IVF.
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation
•Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
•IVF: Selecting the Best Quality Embryos to Transfer
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction: Importance of Meticulous Evaluation and Strategic Management 🙁 Case Report)
•Intralipid and IVIG therapy: Understanding the Basis for its use in the Treatment of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Intralipid (IL) Administration in IVF: It’s Composition; how it Works; Administration; Side-effects; Reactions and Precautions
•Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
•Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
•Should IVF Treatment Cycles be provided uninterrupted or be Conducted in 7-12 Pre-scheduled “Batches” per Year.
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•Nutritional supplements in IVF
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Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher,
Hoping you can help me, I am from NZ. I just had my 6th failed IVF transfer in the hopes of having a second child, 13 transfers in total. I already have a son from previous IVF cycles (he was my 7th transfer).
My fertility challenges started because I never got cycles, was 30 at the time, I am now 37, and started getting periods last year. I have a normal BMI and my AMH is fine, from the outside there doesn’t seem to be any obvious challenges like age or weight. I was resistant to chlomid and letrozole at the time before we tried IVF.
To get my son I ended up having to do a double trigger along with gonal F and Menopur (upon your recommendation which I pushed for), we finally got 2 embryos, the first transfer failed and the other 4BB grade embryo resulted in my son. Previous IVF cycles with one trigger showed many follicles but no eggs, we did IVM to get 2 x blastocysts which failed to implant. In total, I had 4 egg collections incl the IVF and IVM rounds to have my son. I also overstimulated on the last round I got eggs and embryos which gave me my son, I ended up in hospital having 4l of fluid drained from my stomach.
In the hopes of a second baby, we did the same protocol with a double trigger and got 6 embryos, the first transfer worked but I miscarried at 12 weeks, testing revealed the baby had downs. Since then I have had 2 chemicals and all other embryo transfers failed, we have done a few double transfers. We then did a 7th egg collection with one trigger due to me now having periods, we got 6 embryos and the best 3 have failed, 2 x 5AA and 1 x 6AB. I have just had a d&c and hysteroscopy to check if anything else is going on and that all looks normal. We still have 4 embryos left but the grades aren’t good 2 x 6BB and 2 x 5BC.
I have also been feeling tired so I got my thyroid blood done through a naturopath and they have said that my T3 is low – 3.4 and my TPO antibodies are raised – 305.
As we aim to transfer our next embryos is there anything you would do for my transfer protocol? My Dr has recommended an HSG infusion but doesn’t think we need to do anything relating to my TPO antibodies, I’m wondering if you have any thoughts on what else I can do?
Just keep on doing more IVF, another egg collection?
Any thoughts are very much appreciated,
It is not about your transfer cycle. It is very likely about the protocol used for stimulation and its effect on your egg quality and/or an implantation dysfunction (possibly linked to secondary NK call activation).
Whenever a patient fails to achieve a viable pregnancy following embryo transfer (ET), the first question asked is why! Was it simply due to, bad luck?, How likely is the failure to recur in future attempts and what can be done differently, to avoid it happening next time?.
It is an indisputable fact that any IVF procedure is at least as likely to fail as it is to succeed. Thus when it comes to outcome, luck is an undeniable factor. Notwithstanding, it is incumbent upon the treating physician to carefully consider and address the causes of IVF failure before proceeding to another attempt:
1.Age: The chance of a woman under 35Y of age having a baby per embryo transfer is about 35-40%. From there it declines progressively to under 5% by the time she reaches her mid-forties. This is largely due to declining chromosomal integrity of the eggs with advancing age…”a wear and tear effect” on eggs that are in the ovaries from birth.
2.Embryo Quality/”competency (capable of propagating a viable pregnancy)”. As stated, the woman’s age plays a big role in determining egg/embryo quality/”competency”. This having been said, aside from age the protocol used for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS) is the next most important factor. It is especially important when it comes to older women, and women with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) where it becomes essential to be aggressive, and to customize and individualize the ovarian stimulation protocol.
We used to believe that the uterine environment is more beneficial to embryo development than is the incubator/petri dish and that accordingly, the earlier on in development that embryos are transferred to the uterus, the better. To achieve this goal, we used to select embryos for transfer based upon their day two or microscopic appearance (“grade”). But we have since learned that the further an embryo has advanced in its development, the more likely it is to be “competent” and that embryos failing to reach the expanded blastocyst stage within 5-6 days of being fertilized are almost invariably “incompetent” and are unworthy of being transferred. Moreover, the introduction into clinical practice about 15y ago, (by Levent Keskintepe PhD and myself) of Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS), which assesses for the presence of all the embryos chromosomes (complete chromosomal karyotyping), provides another tool by which to select the most “competent” embryos for transfer. This methodology has selective benefit when it comes to older women, women with DOR, cases of unexplained repeated IVF failure and women who experience recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL).
3.The number of the embryos transferred: Most patients believe that the more embryos transferred the greater the chance of success. To some extent this might be true, but if the problem lies with the use of a suboptimal COS protocol, transferring more embryos at a time won’t improve the chance of success. Nor will the transfer of a greater number of embryos solve an underlying embryo implantation dysfunction (anatomical molecular or immunologic).Moreover, the transfer of multiple embryos, should they implant, can and all too often does result in triplets or greater (high order multiples) which increases the incidence of maternal pregnancy-induced complications and of premature delivery with its serious risks to the newborn. It is for this reason that I rarely recommend the transfer of more than 2 embryos at a time and am moving in the direction of advising single embryo transfers …especially when it comes to transferring embryos derived through the fertilization of eggs from young women.
4.Implantation Dysfunction (ID): Implantation dysfunction is a very common (often overlooked) cause of “unexplained” IVF failure. This is especially the case in young ovulating women who have normal ovarian reserve and have fertile partners. Failure to identify, typify, and address such issues is, in my opinion, an unfortunate and relatively common cause of repeated IVF failure in such women. Common sense dictates that if ultrasound guided embryo transfer is performed competently and yet repeated IVF attempts fail to propagate a viable pregnancy, implantation dysfunction must be seriously considered. Yet ID is probably the most overlooked factor. The most common causes of implantation dysfunction are:
a.A“ thin uterine lining”
b.A uterus with surface lesions in the cavity (polyps, fibroids, scar tissue)
c.Immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID)
d.Endocrine/molecular endometrial receptivity issues
e.Ureaplasma Urealyticum (UU) Infection of cervical mucous and the endometrial lining of the uterus, can sometimes present as unexplained early pregnancy loss or unexplained failure following intrauterine insemination or IVF. The infection can also occur in the man, (prostatitis) and thus can go back and forth between partners, with sexual intercourse. This is the reason why both partners must be tested and if positive, should be treated contemporaneously.
Certain causes of infertility are repetitive and thus cannot readily be reversed. Examples include advanced age of the woman; severe male infertility; immunologic infertility associated with alloimmune implantation dysfunction (especially if it is a “complete DQ alpha genetic match between partners plus uterine natural killer cell activation (NKa).
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements for Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•Ovarian Stimulation in Women Who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): Introducing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion protocol
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Blastocyst Embryo Transfers should be the Standard of Care in IVF
•IVF: How Many Attempts should be considered before Stopping?
•“Unexplained” Infertility: Often a matter of the Diagnosis Being Overlooked!
•IVF Failure and Implantation Dysfunction:
•The Role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 1-Background
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 2- Making a Diagnosis
•Immunologic Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 3-Treatment
•Thyroid autoantibodies and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction: Importance of Meticulous Evaluation and Strategic Management 🙁 Case Report)
•Intralipid and IVIG therapy: Understanding the Basis for its use in the Treatment of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Intralipid (IL) Administration in IVF: It’s Composition; how it Works; Administration; Side-effects; Reactions and Precautions
•Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
•Endometrial Thickness, Uterine Pathology and Immunologic Factors
•Vaginally Administered Viagra is Often a Highly Effective Treatment to Help Thicken a Thin Uterine Lining
•Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas:
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF?
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ADDENDUM: PLEASE READ!!
INTRODUCING SHER FERTILITY SOLUTIONS (SFS)
Founded in April 2019, Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) offers online (Skype/FaceTime) consultations to patients from > 40 different countries. All consultations are followed by a detailed written report presenting my personal recommendations for treatment of what often constitute complex Reproductive Issues.
If you wish to schedule an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant (Patti Converse) by phone (800-780-7437/702-533-2691), email (concierge@SherIVF.com) or, enroll online on then home-page of my website (www.SherIVF.com).
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT SFS!
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr,
What are your thoughts on adding plaquenil upon positive test especially with a history of losses?
I know of no convincing evidence that empirically administered hydroxychloroquine has any benefit, whatsoever.
Sorry!
Geoff Sher