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Hello Dr Sher
Im a single woman 42 in a few months. I have just had my amh tested and it is less than 0.2 my fsh a few months ago was 17 all other hormone tests normal. I do ovulate and have regular cycles, I dont have any auto immune conditions and have had scan not an AFC and everything normal structurally. I would like to know what is the best step never had any form of fertility treatment is it worth trying OE or going straight to DE I would like 2 children which complicates things I need to have DS as im single. Im normal bmi exercise regularly dont drink, smoke etc feels such a blow.
Any advice appreciated
Katy
Sorry I forgot to add that I have had a high TSH although wasn’t done on day 3 was 5.1 although 2 months ago only 2.6 both early morning tests have had FT4 and FT3 normal and thyroid antibodies under 35 which DR said is normal. Thankyou for your time so appreciated Katy
You clearly have severely diminished ovarian reserve. This + your age makes IVF with egg donation by far the best choice. However, the fact that you are single and would likely feel compelled to try with own eggs complicates matters because whatever you do will not be nearly as likely to succeed as would egg donation. If my assumption is correct in that you feel strongly about using your own eggs, then pleas consider the following very carefully:
Older women as well as those who (regardless of age) have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) tend to produce fewer and less “competent” eggs, the main reason for reduced IVF success in such cases. The compromised outcome is largely due to the fact that such women tend to have increased LH biological activity which often results in excessive LH-induced ovarian testosterone production which in turn can have a deleterious effect on egg/embryo “competency”.
Certain ovarian stimulation regimes either promote excessive LH production (e.g. short agonist/Lupron- “flare” protocols, clomiphene and Letrozole), augment LH/hCG delivered through additional administration (e.g. high dosage menotropins such as Menopur), or fail to protect against body’s own/self-produced LH (e.g. late antagonist protocols where drugs such as Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron that are first administered 6-7 days after ovarian stimulation has commenced).
I try to avoid using such protocols/regimes (especially) in older women and those with DOR, favoring instead the use of a modified, long pituitary down-regulation protocol (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol-A/ACP) augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend Staggered IVF with embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-normal blastocysts in such cases. This type of approach will in my opinion, optimize the chance of a viable pregnancy per embryo transfer procedure and provide an opportunity to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality still exists, allowing the chance to “make hay while the sun still shines”.
Please visit my new Blog on this very site, http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com, find the “search bar” and type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the“Conventional” Antagonist Aproach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Blastocyst Embryo Transfers Should be the Standard of Care in
•Why did my IVF Fail
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF.
•The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
•IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
I invite you to arrange to have a Skype or an in-person consultation with me to discuss your case in detail. If you are interested, please contact Julie Dahan, at:
Email: Julied@sherivf.com
OR
Phone: 702-533-2691
800-780-7437
I also suggest that you access the 4th edition of my book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies”. It is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoff Sher
My husband and I have tried to conceived for many years. Our first pregnancy was a tubal pregnancy where I lost a tube (2003), followed by a miscarriage (2004), a miraculous live birth my daughter (now 10 years old, 2006), then two more miscarriages (2011), last one 2013. So in total that would be 4 losses. My husband and I are now both 45 years old. Except for the use of clomid for the first pregnancy, subsequent pregnancies were conceived naturally. We have being actively trying to conceive. I have attended a local fertility doctor who after almost two years of fertility drugs and IUIs, decided that based on me having one fallopian tube, I will need IVF. During one of my IUI’s, the nurse mentioned that my husband’s sperm quality/supply was ‘better’ than the day before (the procedure was done over two days). Until then, No one made mentioned of this. My body always responded well to the fertility drugs which consisted of menopur, femara, injections, etc.
I had much testing done. My AMH is good. All other tests including hesteroscopy and cycle monitoring were good. My husband was also tested and his sperm was not great, but he was placed on clomid, which we are unsure helped since it was our last IUI that the nurse mentioned his low sperm volume. He also takes medication for hypertension. Our jobs are somewhat stressful. He works in IT and I am an inner city high school teacher. According to the doctor, he suggested I had an autoimmune issue and suggested I be placed on baby aspirin and if need be heparin (which he never prescribed just the aspirin).
So after all this, we are unsure what to do and who to trust. We still deeply desire to have another child.
I am not certain as to basis upon which your RE suggested that you might have an immunologic issue. Were you tested for natural killer cell activity-NKa using the K-562 target cell test, did you have antithyroid, antinuclear antibodies, antiphospholipid antibodies or immunophenotype tested for? If not then the diagnosis cannot ve made.
Separately, I can tell you that at 45Y of age, regardless of your ovarian reserve (AMH), your chance of successful IVF using own eggs is VERY small. You need IVF with egg donation.
If in spite of this advice, you insist upon trying with own eggs first, then selection of a protocol for ovarian stimulation is a VERY important 1st step. I recommenda modified, long pituitary down-regulation protocol (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol-A/ACP) augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend Staggered IVF with embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-normal blastocysts in such cases. This type of approach will in my opinion, optimize the chance of a viable pregnancy per embryo transfer procedure and provide an opportunity to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality still exists, allowing the chance to “make hay while the sun still shines”.
Might I suggest that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the“Conventional” Antagonist Aproach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Secondary Infertility: Addressing the Root Causes
•Recurrent Pregnancy Loss (RPL): Why do I keep losing my Pregnancies
•Blastocyst Embryo Transfers Done 5-6 Days Following Fertilization are Fast Replacing Earlier day 2-3 Transfers of Cleaved Embryos.
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It Should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
•IVF Failure and Implantation Dysfunction:
•The Role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 1-Background
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 2- Making a Diagnosis
•Immunologic Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 3-Treatment
•Thyroid autoantibodies and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction: Importance of Meticulous Evaluation and Strategic Management:(Case Report
•Intralipid and IVIG therapy: Understanding the Basis for its use in the Treatment of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
•Endometrial Thickness, Uterine Pathology and Immunologic Factors
•Vaginally Administered Viagra is Often a Highly Effective Treatment to Help Thicken a Thin Uterine Lining
•Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF.
•The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
•IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
Please call or email Julie Dahan, my patient concierge. She will guide you on how to set up an in-person or Skype consultation with me. You can reach Julie at on her cell phone or via email at any time:
Julie Dahan
•Email: Julied@sherivf.com
•Phone: 702-533-2691
?800-780-7437
Geoff Sher
I also suggest that you access the 4th edition of my book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies”. It is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Hi Dr Sher,
I am 40 yo and have a 6 yo daughter who was conceived naturally. 3 years ago I had a miscarriage at 9 weeks. Over the past 2 years I have undergone 5 stim and 2 frozen IVF/ICSI cycles. From this we had 1 pregnancy which was terminated at 12 weeks due to trisomy 21, and 1 chemical pregnancy.
We are now looking at egg donors, as I believe my aging eggs are the issue, and just wondering if we should be looking into immune issues or specific treatments in order to ensure that once a good quality blast is transferred I have the best chance of this resulting in a successful pregnancy.
Thanks
Fiona
I should add no other obvious issues, thyroid etc have been identified, except low AMH and high Day 3 FSH results
It is in my opinion not very likely that you have an immune issue. However, it is not impossible and so yes…if you were my patient I would do a screen for natural killer cell activity and only if that is increased would I test further.
Good luck,
Geoff Sher
Geoff Sher
Hello Dr. Sher,
I have few questions below, but wanted to give you my background information first:
-Tried to get pregnant for 1 year unsuccessfully (not even a chemical pregnancy, to my knowledge). My husband and I are both 30 years old
-Diagnosed unexplained infertility, but possible endometriosis based on family history (my mother had it and had it treated before she was able to become pregnant). No MFI
-Discovered elevated TSH/hypothyroidism early on in testing so I have been taking Synthroid. My TSH is now down to 1.4 and T4 is within range and has been this way for the past 5-6 months. I do have a family history of hypothyroidism (mother and sister)
-I also discovered I have an Rh negative blood type (not sure if that is relevant)
-Started treatment with 4 IUIs, all were unsuccessful (no positive betas) so we moved on to IVF (w/ ICSI and PGS)
-Our first FET we transferred a grade 4AA PGS normal embryo and I got pregnant.
I started having bleeding and cramping almost immediately so I switched from progesterone suppositories to PIO shots and the bleeding and cramping subsided and HCG levels continued to double every 48 hours.
-First ultrasound at 6w0d showed a gestational sac and egg yolk, but nothing else.
-Second ultrasound at 6w5d showed a gestational sac, egg yolk, and fetus with a heartbeat measuring at 6w0d. The day after this ultrasound I had painful cramping for about an hour and a half with some minor spotting. My pregnancy symptoms started slowly going away within a few days of this.
-Third ultrasound at 7w5d showed only an irregularly shaped gestational sac and no fetus/heartbeat. I stopped PIO injections and started to miscarry within 5 days.
This experience has been devastating for my husband and me. While I know it’s not likely we’ll ever understand why our loss occurred, I would like to explore all possible avenues before we proceed with another FET.
Is it too early to be considering Autoimmune IID or any other endometrial receptivity issues? Do you think it’s worth doing any additional testing before proceeding with another FET? Are there any specific questions I should be asking my RE or any additional testing I should request?
Thank you in advance!
Absolutely not! Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) needs to be ruled out!Between 2% and 5% of women of the childbearing age have reduced thyroid hormone activity (hypothyroidism). Women with hypothyroidism often manifest with reproductive failure i.e. infertility, unexplained (often repeated) IVF failure, or recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL). The condition is 5-10 times more common in women than in men. In most cases hypothyroidism is caused by damage to the thyroid gland resulting from of thyroid autoimmunity (Hashimoto’s disease) caused by damage done to the thyroid gland by antithyroglobulin and antimicrosomal auto-antibodies.
The increased prevalence of hypothyroidism and thyroid autoimmunity (TAI) in women is likely the result of a combination of genetic factors, estrogen-related effects and chromosome X abnormalities. This having been said, there is significantly increased incidence of thyroid antibodies in non-pregnant women with a history of infertility and recurrent pregnancy loss and thyroid antibodies can be present asymptomatically in women without them manifesting with overt clinical or endocrinologic evidence of thyroid disease. In addition, these antibodies may persist in women who have suffered from hyper- or hypothyroidism even after normalization of their thyroid function by appropriate pharmacological treatment. The manifestations of reproductive dysfunction thus seem to be linked more to the presence of thyroid autoimmunity (TAI) than to clinical existence of hypothyroidism and treatment of the latter does not routinely result in a subsequent improvement in reproductive performance.
It follows, that if antithyroid autoantibodies are associated with reproductive dysfunction they may serve as useful markers for predicting poor outcome in patients undergoing assisted reproductive technologies.
Some years back, I reported on the fact that 47% of women who harbor thyroid autoantibodies, regardless of the absence or presence of clinical hypothyroidism, have activated uterine natural killer cells (NKa) cells and cytotoxic lymphocytes (CTL) and that such women often present with reproductive dysfunction. We demonstrated that appropriate immunotherapy with IVIG or intralipid (IL) and steroids, subsequently often results in a significant improvement in reproductive performance in such cases.
The fact that almost 50% of women who harbor antithyroid antibodies do not have activated CTL/NK cells suggests that it is NOT the antithyroid antibodies themselves that cause reproductive dysfunction. The activation of CTL and NK cells that occurs in half of the cases with TAI is probably an epiphenomenon with the associated reproductive dysfunction being due to CTL/NK cell activation that damages the early “root system” (trophoblast) of the implanting embryo. We have shown that treatment of those women who have thyroid antibodies + NKa/CTL using IL/steroids, improves subsequent reproductive performance while women with thyroid antibodies who do not harbor NKa/CTL do not require or benefit from such treatment.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 1-Background
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 2- Making a Diagnosis
•Immunologic Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID):PART 3-Treatment
•Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction: Importance of Meticulous Evaluation and Strategic Management:(Case Report
•Intralipid and IVIG therapy: Understanding the Basis for its use in the Treatment of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
•Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
•Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•Endometriosis and Infertily
•Intrauterine Insemination (IUI): Who Needs it & who Does Not: Pro’s & Con’s!
•Micro-IVF: Often Preferable to Ovarian Stimulation with or Without IUI
Please call or email Julie Dahan, my patient concierge. She will guide you on how to set up an in-person or Skype consultation with me. You can reach Julie at on her cell phone or via email at any time:
Julie Dahan
•Email: Julied@sherivf.com
•Phone: 702-533-2691
?800-780-7437
Geoff Sher
I also suggest that you access the 4th edition of my book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies”. It is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Hello, I was hoping to get your opinion. I was doing egg batching because of a low AMH with the estrogen priming and micro dose Lupron protocol. After 2 IVF cycles I realized the nurse mistakenly called in the wrong script and I was in regular Lupron giving 0.5 mg twice a day and not the 50mcg. My first cycle resulted in 1 day 5 embryo the second cycle my Antral follicle count dropped to 2 and no one could figure out why I was responding so poorly. Now my Antral follicle count is up to 10. My doctor said that my results would of have been any different even if I was put on the correct dosage of Lupron. I don’t understand because Lupron at high doses puts women into menopause not stimulates them. What am I missing? I’ve already spent so much money I don’t know wether to try another cycle with the correct dosage of lupron.
The “agonist”, Lupron does over time with continues administration,arrest ovarian activity, but it does not cause permanent menopause. In my opinion, the use ofLupron to launch an IVF cycle is the right way to go, but it is how it is use, especially when it comes to women with diminished ovarian reserve that matters.
In my opinion, women who have have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) tend to produce fewer, as well as less “competent” eggs which is the main reason for reduced IVF success in such cases. The compromised outcome is largely due to the fact that such women tend to have increased LH biological activity which often results in excessive LH-induced ovarian testosterone production which in turn can have a deleterious effect on egg/embryo “competency”.
Certain ovarian stimulation regimes either promote excessive LH production (e.g. short Lupron- “flare” protocolscan augment LH/hCG delivered through additional administration (e.g. high dosage menotropins such as Menopur), or fail to protect against body’s own/self-produced LH (e.g. late antagonist protocols where drugs such as Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron that are first administered 6-7 days after ovarian stimulation has commenced).
I try to avoid using such protocols/regimes (especially) in older women and those with DOR, favoring instead the use of a modified, long pituitary down-regulation protocol (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol-A/ACP) augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend Staggered IVF with embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-normal blastocysts in such cases. This type of approach will in my opinion, optimize the chance of a viable pregnancy per embryo transfer procedure and provide an opportunity to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality still exists, allowing the chance to “make hay while the sun still shines”.
Please visit my new Blog on this very site, http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com, find the “search bar” and type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the“Conventional” Antagonist Aproach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Blastocyst Embryo Transfers Should be the Standard of Care in
•Why did my IVF Fail
•Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF.
•The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
•IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
I invite you to arrange to have a Skype or an in-person consultation with me to discuss your case in detail. If you are interested, please contact Julie Dahan, at:
Email: Julied@sherivf.com
OR
Phone: 702-533-2691
800-780-7437
I also suggest that you access the 4th edition of my book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies”. It is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoff Sher