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Hi Dr Sher, if a woman who is 41 presents at your clinic with husband who has normal sperm, do you recommend IVF or ICSI for her? My infertility is DOR and age. No sperm issues with husband. Is ICSI preferred at your clinic?
Routinely …ICSI!]
Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection ICSI which began in 1992 as a treatment for severe male factor infertility, involves the direct injection of a single sperm into each egg under direct microscopic vision.
Soon after the turn of the 20th century it was reported that while the diagnosis of a male factor infertility had remained static, the use of ICSI had markedly increased and that indications for ICSI had expanded from solely male infertility (for which it had primarily been developed) to a wide variety of other indications such as “unexplained infertility, unexplained IVF failure, polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) and cases where the woman’s eggs had become more resistant to conventional fertilization. ICSI was also being used in cases where sperm was absent (or virtually absent) from the ejaculate due to congenital or traumatic or medically acquired obstruction of the main collecting ducts (vasa deferentia), testicular failure and in cases where for traumatic, neurologic, or psychologi reasons (impotency) no semen/sperm was being ejaculated. In such cases, sperm obtained through Testicular Sperm Extraction (TESE), or aspiration (TESA) was being successfully used for ICSI. Today in the United states more than 70% of all IVF fertilizations are being conducted using ICSI with high fertilization and pregnancy rates being reported, regardless of sperm concentration, motility or morphology.
Clearly ICSI is increasingly replacing conventional insemination due to its many benefits and lack of definable drawbacks. In fact, pregnancy rates achieved by this method of fertilization are at least as high as those of conventional IVF performed in cases of non-male-factor infertility. Indeed, ICSI is associated with high fertilization and pregnancy rates regardless of sperm concentration, motility or morphology.
Notwithstanding, the above, the proposition that ICSI be preferentially used as the routine method for fertilizing eggs in IVF continues to meet with resistance. Die hards argue that about 1-3% of pregnancies resulting from ICS are associated with congenital developmental and genetic defects that affect the offspring. They cite conditions such as *Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome, *Angelman syndrome, *hypospadias, sex chromosome abnormalities, a slightly increased miscarriage rate and the fact that male offspring resulting fom ICSI pregnancies are themselves at risk of subsequently developing male infertility in later life.
What you do not often hear from nay-sayers is that those studies that site the above mentioned risks do not distinguish between cases where ICSI is/was mandated for male infertility )and cases where ICSI is/was done for other (non-male infertility) reasons. If this was done, what in my opinion would emerge is that the above mentioned birth defects and developmental conditions are largely confined to the underlying male factor for which ICSI was indicated and are not due to the ICSI process itself. In fact a relatively recent study performed in Sweden demostrated this well. Here 542 children who were conceived naturally were compared with 941 children conceived through IVF (440 by conventional IVF & 541via ICSI) The babies/children were assessed at birth and during the first 5 years of life: The findings revealed that while the incidence of birth and developmental defects was indeed higher in ICSI babies, this only applied to cases where ICSI had been done for male infertility. It did not apply to cases where ICSI was done in the absence of male factor infertility.
Another very important consideration that supports the routine fertilization of eggs by ICSI is the fact that good quality IVF relies heavily on an ability to adequately assess egg maturation immediately following egg retrieval. To do this requires removal of layers of cumulus oophoris (CO) cells that cover the egg envelopment (zona pellucida). Only after the CO is stripped can the 1st polar body (PB-1) which is located immediately under the zona pellucida be identified and it is the presence of PB-1 signifies that indicates that the egg has gone through meiosis (reproductive division) and is thus mature (M2) and overwhelmingly, successful fertilzation and viable embryo development requires that the fertilized egg was mature (M2). This assessment for the presence of PB-1 cannot be reliably done without first removing the cumulus oophoris cells attached to the outer surface of the zona pellucida. The problem is that stripping the cumulus oophoris cells away, markedly reduces natural fertilization potential, leaving ICSI as the only alternative by which to subsequently achieve viable embryo propagation. The only way by which to avoid fertilization by ICSI would be to bypass the important step of assessing egg maturation and this in my opinion would compromize IVF outcome significantly. Thus optimization of the entire IVF process virtually mandates routine ICSI in IVF.
For the above reasons, I proudly count myself among a growing majority of IVF practitioners who support the routine use of ICSI for all IVF patients
*Angelman syndrome is a complex genetic disorder characterized by delayed development, intellectual disability, speech impairment, and problems with movement and balance (ataxia). Most cases are not inherited, particularly those caused by a deletion in the maternal chromosome 15 or by paternal uniparental disomy. These genetic changes are random events that take place during the formation of reproductive cells (eggs and sperm) or in early embryonic development.
*Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome is a congenital growth disorder that causes large body size, large organs, and other symptoms. t results from a defect in the genes on chromosome 11. About 10% of cases can be passed down through families.
*Hypospadias: Hypospadias is a condition where the opening isn’t at the tip of the penis. Instead, it is located any place along the underside of the penis.
In my opinion, the protocol used for ovarian stimulation, against the backdrop of age, and ovarian reserve are the drivers of egg quality and egg quality is the most important factor affecting embryo “competency”.
Older women as well as those who (regardless of age) have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) tend to produce fewer and less “competent” eggs, the main reason for reduced IVF success in such cases. The compromised outcome is largely due to the fact that such women tend to have increased LH biological activity which often results in excessive LH-induced ovarian testosterone production which in turn can have a deleterious effect on egg/embryo “competency”.
Certain ovarian stimulation regimes either promote excessive LH production (e.g. short agonist/Lupron- “flare” protocols, clomiphene and Letrozole), augment LH/hCG delivered through additional administration (e.g. high dosage menotropins such as Menopur), or fail to protect against body’s own/self-produced LH (e.g. late antagonist protocols where drugs such as Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron that are first administered 6-7 days after ovarian stimulation has commenced).
I try to avoid using such protocols/regimes (especially) in older women and those with DOR, favoring instead the use of a modified, long pituitary down-regulation protocol (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol-A/ACP) augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend Staggered IVF with embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-normal blastocysts in such cases. This type of approach will in my opinion, optimize the chance of a viable pregnancy per embryo transfer procedure and provide an opportunity to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality still exists, allowing the chance to “make hay while the sun still shines”.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the“Conventional” Antagonist Aproach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It Should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
•Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*FYI
The 4th edition of my book,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is now available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Dr Sher, why do you wait 7 days after a menstrual period to start stimulation on the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol (without estrogen priming)? Could you start stimulation on, say, the fourth day after the menstrual period?
I start withing a few days of the commencement of Lupron-induced menstruation …the sooner the better, but certainly within 4-5 days of bleeding.
Geoff Sher
Dr.Sher! Such a pleasure to read your website. I am in Canada, being treated by an American doctor just across the border. I developed OHSS the first IVF had to freeze all eggs 6 five days Blastocysts. They all didn’t survive the thaw!!!!
Today I just came back from the US and I gave myself my trigger shots. My Estradiol= 3054 pg/ml Progesterone=1.92. LH= 0.466
I have about 25 eggs. Gave myself 80 units of Lupron and 0.5ml of HCG.
We will do a fresh transfer this time. Do you think it’s safe for my health? I’m scared but want to move forward with Fresh Transfer. May you offer me some of your thoughts? I am 40 years old.
Typically, women with irregular ovulation/menstruation, young women, those with high ovarian reserve (AMH=>6ng/ml) and those who have polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) who undergo ovarian stimulation with fertility drugs are at increased risk of developing severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), a life endangering condition. In cases of OHSS egg “competency” (quality) is often severely compromised.
The fear of OHSS developing often prompts RE’s to trigger egg maturation prematurely with hCG in the hope of arresting the process before ovarian stimulation spirals out of control, increasing physical risk and causing a high percentage of harvested eggs to end up being “incompetent”, (“immature/dysmature).
Also in an attempt to reduce the risks of OHSS, some RE’s trigger egg maturation using a reduced dosage of hCG or through inducing an outpouring of pituitary LH an agonist such as Lupron or Buserelin. While such approaches indeed reduce the risk and severity of OHSS, they often result in many eggs failing to mature. Thus lowering risk by reducing the dosage of hCG or by using an agonist “trigger”, often comes at the expense of egg “competency”.
In women with PCOS, poor egg “competency” is also often attributable to high ovarian LH-induced testosterone. Such eggs have reduced fertilization potential, often yielding “poor quality embryos”. While poor egg “competency” in women with PCOS can be due to the fact that such eggs are more prone to having intrinsic quality deficits, it is (in my opinion), more commonly attributable to aberrant intra-ovarian hormonal changes brought about by severe ovarian hyperstimulation. This effect, can be prevented or curtailed through implementation of individualized or customized ovarian stimulation protocols that minimize over-exposure to excessive LH-induced ovarian male hormones (androgens) which can best be accomplished by limiting the use of LH-containing gonadotropins such as Menopur and by using a procedure that I introduced in 1989, known as “prolonged coasting” (see below).
Approaches to preventing or containing OHSS include:
1.PROLONGED COASTING: My preferred approach is to use a long pituitary DR protocol coming off up to 2 months on the BCP, overlapped in the last 3 days with the agonist, Lupron. The BCP is intended to lower LH and thereby reduce stromal activation (hyperthecosis) in the hope of controlling ovarian androgen (predominantly, testosterone) production and release. I then stimulate with low dosage recombinant FSF-FSHr (Follistim/Gonal-F/Puregon) to which I add a smidgeon of LH/hCG (Luveris/Menopur) from the 3rd day. Then, starting on day 7 of ovarian stimulation, I perform serial blood estradiol (E2) and ultrasound follicle assessments, watching for the # of follicles and [E2]. If there are > 25 follicles, I keep stimulating (regardless of the [E2] until 50% of all follicles reach 14mm. At this point, provided the [E2] reaches at least >2,500pg/ml, I stop the agonist as well as gonadotropin stimulation and track the blood E2 (without continuing US, follicle measurements) ) daily. The [E2] will almost invariably increase for a few days. I watch the E2 rise (regardless of how high a blood concentration it reaches) and then track it coming down again. As soon as the [E2] drops below 2500pg/ml (and not before then), I administer a “trigger” shot of 10,000U hCGu (Profasi/ Novarel/Pregnyl) or hCGr (Ovidrel/Ovitrel-500mcg) and perform an egg retrieval 36 hours later. ICSI is a MUST because “coasted” eggs usually have no cumulus oophoris envelopment and eggs without a cumulus will not readily fertilize naturally. Moreover, they also tend to have a “hardened” envelopment (zona pellucida), making spontaneous fertilization problematic in many cases. All fertilized eggs are cultured to blastocyst (up to 6 days) and are then either vitrified and preserved for subsequent transfer in later hormone replacement cycles or up to two (2) fresh blastocysts are transferred transvaginal under US guidance.. The success of this approach depends on precise timing of the initiation and conclusion of “prolonged coasting”. If you start too early, follicle growth will stop and the cycle will be lost. If you start too late, you will encounter too many post-mature/cystic follicles (>22mm) that usually harbor abnormally developed eggs. Use of “Coasting” avoids unnecessary cycle cancellation, severe OHSS, and optimizes egg/embryo quality. The worst you will encounter is mild to moderate OHSS and this too is uncommon. The obvious remedy for these adverse effects on egg and endometrial development is to employ stimulation protocols that limit ovarian over-exposure to LH and allowing the time necessary for the follicles/eggs to develop optimally, prior to administering hCG through the judicious implementation of “Prolonged coasting” (PC).
2.MULTIPLE FOLLICLE ASPIRATION: In some cases, where because of mean follicle size exceeding 16mm or when “coasting” fails to effectively lower the [E2} below 2,500pg/ml within 3 days, the number of developing follicles can effectively and drastically reduced through target transvaginal aspiration, 1-3 PRIOR to planned the hCG trigger. This will almost invariably be accompanied by a rapid and significant drop in the plasma [E2] and in the process will drastically reduce the risk of OHSS occurring without significantly compromising egg/embryo quality. The drawback of this effective approach is the fact that it interjects an additional surgical intervention into an already complex and stressful situation. i
3.TRIGGERING WITH LOW DOISAGE hCG; Because of the fact that hCG augments the development of OHSS (unless preceded by “coasting”), may RE’s prefer to use a lower dosage of hCG for the “trigger. This is either done by administering 5,000U (half the traditional dosage) or by administering, a 250mcg (rather than 500mcg) of DNA recombinant form of hCGr (Ovidrel/Ovitrel. Some clinicians, when faced with a risk of OHSS developing will deliberately elect to reduce the “trigger” dosage of hCG administered (from 10,000U to 5,000U or 250mcg of recombinant hCG-Ovidrel) in the hope that by doing so the risk of critical OHSS developing will be lowered. While this might indeed be true, it is my opinion, that such a reduced dosage is usually insufficient to optimize the efficiency of egg meiosis, e3specially when there are so many follicles present. While the use of a reduced “trigger” dosage of hCG does indeed reduce the risk and occurrence of OHSS-related life-endangering complications, the price to be paid is reduced egg quality/”competency”.
4.“TRIGGERING” WITH A GnRH AGONIST (E.G. “LUPRON/BUSERELIN): More recently, an increasing number of RE’s prefer to trigger meiosis by way of an agonist (Lupron/Buserelin/Superfact () “trigger” rather than through the use of hCG. The idea is to mimic what happens in natural cycles to promote egg maturation (meiosis) and ovulation, namely to have the agonist cause a “surge” in the release of body’s own pituitary LH to trigger egg meiosis (maturation) .But the amount of LH released in by the pituitary gland is often insufficient to optimize meiotic egg maturation and thus, while this approach also lowers the risk of OHSS it again comes at the expense of egg quality/competency.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas:
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting.
•“Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
•The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*The 4th edition of my book,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Dr Sher, what is your view on HBO (hyperbaric oxygen therapy) for IVF, in particular improvement to follicular fluid?
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(04)02445-8/abstract
I question its value!
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher, I spent 15 years on Adderral for adult ADHD. Do you think this medication has damaged all my eggs now at 41?