Ask Our Doctors – Archive
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Is vaginal viagra effective with estradiol patches? Or is there a preferred form is estrogen to be used?
It is effective in most cases.
Geoff sher
Hello there. In some of your articles you mention BCP should be used before a cycle to suppress FSH and prevent cysts. You say the BCP should be taken for 1-3 weeks. Is it the longer the BCP the better or can the same thing be achieved in 7 days?
At least 10 days..in my opinion..but if longer than 30 days (provided it is used corectly)…no problem!
One often hears the expressed opinion that the BCP suppresses response to ovarian stimulation. This is not the case, provided that the BCP is overlapped with administration of an agonist (e.g. Lupron, Buserelin, Superfact) for several days leading up to the start of menstruation and the initiation of ovarian stimulation cycle with gonadotropin drugs. If the latter precaution is not taken, and the cycle of stimulation is initiated coming directly off the BCP the response will often be blunted and subsequent egg quality could be adversely affected.
The explanation for this is that in natural (unstimulated) as well as in cycles stimulated with fertility drugs, the ability of follicles to properly respond to FSH stimulation is dependent on their having developed FSH-responsive receptors . Pre-antral follicles (PAF) do not have such primed FSH receptors and thus cannot respond properly to FSH stimulation with gonadotropins. The acquisition of FSH receptor responsivity requires that the pre-antral follicles be exposed to FSH, for a number of days (5-7) during which time they attain “FSH-responsivity” and are now known as antral follicles (AF). These AF’s are now able to respond properly to stimulation with administered FSH-gonadotropins. In regular menstrual cycles, the rising FSH output from the pituitary gland insures that PAPs convert tor AF’s. The BCP (as well as prolonged administration of estrogen/progesterone) suppresses FSH. This suppression needs to be countered by artificially causing blood FSH levels to rise in order to cause PAF to AF conversion prior to COS commencing, otherwise pre-antral-to –antral follicle conversion will not take place in an orderly fashion and the follicles will not readily respond to gonadotropins (FSH) , thereby delaying follicle development by up to 7 days and compromising egg quality. GnRH agonists (e.g. Lupron, Buserelin, Superfact) , cause an immediate surge in release of FSH by the pituitary gland thus causing conversion from PAF to SAF. This is why, women who take a BCP to launch a cycle of COS need to have an overlap of the BCP with an agonist.
By overlapping the BCP with an agonist for a few days prior to menstruation the early recruited follicles are able to complete their developmental drive to the AF stage and as such, be ready to respond appropriately to optimal ovarian stimulation. Using this approach, the timing of the initiation of the IVF treatment cycle can readily and safely be regulated and controlled by varying the length of time that the woman is on the BCP.
Geoff Sher
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Hi Dr Sher, i had a question for you re DOR women. I’m 40, but my day 3 LH is usually 3 and day 3 FSH is 8 and E2 is 80. I have failed IVF cycles which turned out to be because I had stage 3 endo. This has since been removed. I was reading your articles. If DOR women aren’t falling pregnant naturally, is it likely the rise in LH towards the start of a menstrual period (and possibly in the luteal phase given estrogen is a bit high on day 3) likely to cause damage to the egg, is this why you advocate for the A/ACP protocol for DOR women? Because if trying naturally is not recommended in DOR women because of this, then your A/ACP protocol is best. Would you agree that DOR women are probably better on this protocol than trying naturally or does the DOR LH effects more likely in an incorrect ivf protocol??
A/ACP should be used in conjunction with Staggered IVF at 40y.
In my opinion, the protocol used for ovarian stimulation, against the backdrop of age, and ovarian reserve are the drivers of egg quality and egg quality is the most important factor affecting embryo “competency”.
Older women as well as those who (regardless of age) have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) tend to produce fewer and less “competent” eggs, the main reason for reduced IVF success in such cases. The compromised outcome is largely due to the fact that such women tend to have increased LH biological activity which often results in excessive LH-induced ovarian testosterone production which in turn can have a deleterious effect on egg/embryo “competency”.
Certain ovarian stimulation regimes either promote excessive LH production (e.g. short agonist/Lupron- “flare” protocols, clomiphene and Letrozole), augment LH/hCG delivered through additional administration (e.g. high dosage menotropins such as Menopur), or fail to protect against body’s own/self-produced LH (e.g. late antagonist protocols where drugs such as Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron that are first administered 6-7 days after ovarian stimulation has commenced).
I try to avoid using such protocols/regimes (especially) in older women and those with DOR, favoring instead the use of a modified, long pituitary down-regulation protocol (the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol-A/ACP) augmented by adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). I further recommend Staggered IVF with embryo banking of PGS (next generation gene sequencing/NGS)-normal blastocysts in such cases. This type of approach will in my opinion, optimize the chance of a viable pregnancy per embryo transfer procedure and provide an opportunity to capitalize on whatever residual ovarian reserve and egg quality still exists, allowing the chance to “make hay while the sun still shines”.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the“Conventional” Antagonist Aproach
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
•Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
•Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
•The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
•Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
•Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
•Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It Should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
•Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
•PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
•PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
•Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
•Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*FYI
The 4th edition of my book,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is now available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD
Dr Sher, I noticed you use Norinyl-1 (Mestranol/Norethisterone) an OCP. Is there a reason why you use this as opposed to say Microgynon 30 (ethinylestradiol/levonorgestrel)? Do they achieve the same thing with your IVF protocols for DOR women or is it important to use one over the other?
Just as good!
Geoff Sher
My daughter in law is doing IVF. She has PCOS and with her last IUI she had OHSS. She went in for egg retrieval today after a Lupron shot Sunday night at 10:30. Her estradiol was over 2000. She has 40 follicles. They went into retrieve eggs from 10 follicles and there were no eggs. They did half HCG trigger after the procedure and will check one follicle tomorrow for an egg. If there is no egg they said “we will cross that bridge”. Is it possible to have that high of estradiol and not have any eggs. She wasn’t told that would be a possibility prior to the procedure. Now it appears it is a possibility. They said they have never seen this before. Just begging for any answers, any help. Is this cycle over? Is there any hope for tomorrow?
Let me start by saying that there is no doubt that PCOS exacts a toll on egg quality. This having been said, the egg quality can in large part protected through the judicious implementation of an individualized protocol for ovarian stimulation.
Women with PCOS are hypersensitive to gonadotropin stimulation and are often at risk of developing serious complications associated with severe ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS). Concern for this occurring often leads the treating physician to take precautionary measures aimed at slowing down or stopping hyperstimulation. Such measures include:
1.Cutting the stimulation short to prevent the E2 from rising too high. Unfortunately this often results in the eggs being underdeveloped at the time of the “trigger” and thus, far more likely to end up being “immature”., “dysmature” and “incompetent”.
2.Administering a lower “trigger dosage” of hCG , supplanting it (partially or completely) with an Agonist trigger (e.g. Lupron/Buserelin/aminopeptidyl/Superfact). While such measures can certainly reduce the risk/severity of OHSS, it often comes at the expense of egg competency (see below).
In my opinion, another error of commission during ovarian stimulation of women with PCOS is the indiscriminate use of drugs that either elicit an exaggerated ovarian LH-induced testosterone response (e.g. clomiphene or Letrozole), or provide too much LH (e.g. Menopur/Menogon). Too much ovarian testosterone is harmful to egg development and thus prejudicial to embryo quality/competency.
In my opinion the best way to approach ovarian stimulation for IVF in women with PCOS, is through the use of a low dosage, FSH-dominant Long ovarian down-regulation protocol, done in readiness for “prolonged coasting” (see below) and “triggering” egg maturation with a full 10,00U dosage of hCG or (no less than) 500mcg of recombinant hCG (Ovidrel)….see belowis If this is implemented appropriately, with proper timing, egg/embryo quality can be optimized.
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
•The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
•Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
•IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS)
•The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
•Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
•Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas
•Should IVF Treatment Cycles be provided uninterrupted or be Conducted in 7-12 Pre-scheduled “Batches” per Year
•A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
•Taking A Fresh Look at Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), its Presentation, Prevention and Management
•Preventing Severe Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) with “Prolonged Coasting”
•Understanding Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) and the Need to Customize Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
•“Triggering” Egg Maturation in IVF: Comparing urine-derived hCG, Recombinant DNA-hCG and GnRH-agonist:
•The “Lupron Trigger” to Prevent Severe OHSS: What are the Pro’s and Con’s?
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
*FYI
The 4th edition of my newest book ,”In Vitro Fertilization, the ART of Making Babies” is available as a down-load through http://www.Amazon.com or from most bookstores and public libraries.
Geoffrey Sher MD