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Hi Dr Sher. Is some fragmentation on day 2 of embryo development a problem in your experience?
A small amount (<20%) is usually acceptable.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr
Sher I am 38 years old and am a mother of a healthy 3&1/2 year old son who I got
Pregnant with right away at 34.
Then at 36 I had miscarriage at 5 and half weeks along. Since
Then I have been obsessed and stressed about conceiving again and tried 4 Iui’s which didn’t work and attempted three ivf cycles. The first one was cancelled due to not having enough follicles then the second was cancelled due to high estrogen and third my estrogen was a bit too high 300 and they wanted it below 200. I am
Taking the BCP and will be starting the agonist protocol with suprefact next month. Tests I have done
Are normal for my age with lower ovarian reserve. My husband is 41. What is your advice for us as we desperately want a second child.
Thanks in advance
It is one thing for a woman who has never been able to conceive (primary infertility) to come to grips with undergoing In Vitro Fertilization. It is quite another matter for someone who has successfully achieved a pregnancy in the past having to come to terms with a subsequent inability to conceive (secondary infertility). When this happens, it raises issues of guilt, a declining sense of self-worth and ultimately self-recrimination. The ramifications often impact family relationships involving partners and siblings. The truth is that secondary infertility can be just as difficult for individuals and family to deal with as primary infertility.
There are many factors that contribute to the problem of secondary infertility. These include:
Social and marital factors: In this modern day and age where at least one in two marriages ends in divorce, it is not surprising that there would be an inevitable hiatus in childbearing. This often results in a considerable delay in re-initiating family building. Since the biological clock keeps on ticking in the interim, advancing age can, and often does, have a profound affect on a womanās ability to subsequently conceive and successfully complete a pregnancy. In my experience, this is one of the most common reasons for secondary infertility. In addition, by the time a decision is made to enter a new relationship, many men and women will have undergone a prior sterilization procedure which now needs to be addressed. To make matters worse, many such men and women first opt for surgical reversal of their occlusive surgery, only to learn in the end that the procedures were not successful, and they now need to consider in vitro fertilization (IVF) in one form or another.
Financial factors: Here, the cost of raising a child often weighs heavily, especially in this present tough economic climate. This is becoming more of an issue as women playing an ever increasing role as a primary bread winner.
Career demands: There can be little doubt that when it comes to climbing the career ladder, women are considerably disadvantaged by the fact that pregnancy and the immediate demands of child rearing take away from their ability to compete with men. As such, many women choose to delay having another child until such time as they have been able to make up for prior lost opportunity.
Medical barriers to fertility: Certain common medical conditions, while not absolutely precluding pregnancy, make it much more difficult to conceive.
Endometriosis: It is not uncommon for women with endometriosis to achieve a pregnancy, but find difficulty in doing so again at a later date. The reason for this is that while most women with endometriosis have patent fallopian tubes, the environment surrounding their tubes is compromised due to pelvic toxins that are produced by the endometriotic implants. These toxins compromise egg fertilization potential, making it more difficult for sperm in the fallopian tube to fertilize the egg upon its arrival there. As such, endometriosis is one of the commonest causes of secondary infertility.
Tubal damage due to prior pelvic inflammatory disease: In first world countries, the early and often indiscriminate use of antibiotics for the slightest symptom has led to the point where an acute attack of pelvic inflammatory disease is often masked. As such, less than 30% of American women with tubal damage have knowledge that their tubes are compromised and that they might have subsequent difficulty in conceiving. Since, in many such cases the tubal damage will not have totally blocked both tubes, some of the women so affected might experience a pregnancy but have difficulty in conceiving again later down the line.
Dysfunctional ovulation: Since ovulation as well as normal hormonal support of the early implanting embryo are both essential for a healthy pregnancy to occur, it follows that women with irregular or dysfunctional ovulation (e.g., polycystic ovarian syndrome ā PCOS, persistent follicular luteal phase deficiencies or post birth control pill ovulatory problems) might sporadically conceive and thereupon find it difficult to do achieve another pregnancy later on.
Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID): has become ever more apparent that immunologic factors play an important role in achieving healthy implantation. Women with endometriosis (regardless of its severity), those with a personal or family history of autoimmune diseases such as lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis and thyroid autoimmunity (TAI), and some cases where the man and the woman share certain genetic similarities (alloimmune implantation dysfunction), will have activated CTL/NK cells that can inhibit or compromise healthy implantation. This is an often overlooked cause of secondary infertility. Most such autoimmune/alloimmune cases require selective immunotherapy and IVF.
Antisperm Antibodies: Although infrequent, some cases of secondary infertility might also be caused by the woman harboring antisperm antibodies. In such cases IVF is mandated.
Previous post-pregnancy uterine infection: Retention of products of conception after the birth of a child, miscarriage, or abortion can so damage the uterine lining as to result in subsequent implantation failure. Unless specifically looked for, this will usually be unknown to the patient, who will simply present with secondary infertility. Treatment is often difficult because such patients might not respond adequately to surgical removal of intrauterine scar tissue or to hormonal or Viagra therapy
Male immunologic factors: Most men who have undergone a previous vasectomy more than 10 years earlier, will have antisperm antibodies that will interfere with fertilization. Such cases require IVF with intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI). Here we offer a few words of caution to men who are considering undergoing surgical reversal of vasectomy. Always first have a test done to exclude the presence of circulating antisperm antibodies, because in such cases, even if the reversal is successfully performed, they will not be able to initiate a pregnancy without IVF/ICSI.
Whatever the cause, secondary infertility often affects older couples disproportionately, creating a sense of urgency and even desperation in achieving a viable pregnancy before time runs out. It is for this reason that IVF becomes the treatment of choice in such cases. However, even IVF becomes progressively less successful with advancing age of the woman (whose eggs are being fertilized). In such cases it is important for the couple to be realistic with regard to their expectations. Here, options that include embryo banking and egg donation should be carefully considered.
Another important point is that whenever a regularly ovulating younger woman (under 36 years of age) with patent fallopian tubes is diagnosed with secondary infertility, it is essential to consider underlying endometriosis or non-obstructive tubal disease as a possible cause. In such cases, IVF is again the treatment of choice.
Whenever a patient fails to achieve a viable pregnancy following embryo transfer (ET), the first question asked is why! Was it simply due to, bad luck?, How likely is the failure to recur in future attempts and what can be done differently, to avoid it happening next time?.
It is an indisputable fact that any IVF procedure is at least as likely to fail as it is to succeed. Thus when it comes to outcome, luck is an undeniable factor. Notwithstanding, it is incumbent upon the treating physician to carefully consider and address the causes of IVF failure before proceeding to another attempt:
1.Age: The chance of a woman under 35Y of age having a baby per embryo transfer is about 35-40%. From there it declines progressively to under 5% by the time she reaches her mid-forties. This is largely due to declining chromosomal integrity of the eggs with advancing ageā¦āa wear and tear effectā on eggs that are in the ovaries from birth.
2.Embryo Quality/ācompetency (capable of propagating a viable pregnancy)ā. As stated, the womanās age plays a big role in determining egg/embryo quality/ācompetencyā. This having been said, aside from age the protocol used for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS) is the next most important factor. It is especially important when it comes to older women, and women with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) where it becomes essential to be aggressive, and to customize and individualize the ovarian stimulation protocol.
We used to believe that the uterine environment is more beneficial to embryo development than is the incubator/petri dish and that accordingly, the earlier on in development that embryos are transferred to the uterus, the better. To achieve this goal, we used to select embryos for transfer based upon their day two or microscopic appearance (āgradeā). But we have since learned that the further an embryo has advanced in its development, the more likely it is to be ācompetentā and that embryos failing to reach the expanded blastocyst stage within 5-6 days of being fertilized are almost invariably āincompetentā and are unworthy of being transferred. Moreover, the introduction into clinical practice about a decade ago, (by Levent Keskintepe PhD and myself) of Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS), which assesses for the presence of all the embryos chromosomes (complete chromosomal karyotyping), provides another tool by which to select the most ācompetentā embryos for transfer. This methodology has selective benefit when it comes to older women, women with DOR, cases of unexplained repeated IVF failure and women who experience recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL).
3.The number of the embryos transferred: Most patients believe that the more embryos transferred the greater the chance of success. To some extent this might be true, but if the problem lies with the use of a suboptimal COS protocol, transferring more embryos at a time wonāt improve the chance of success. Nor will the transfer of a greater number of embryos solve an underlying embryo implantation dysfunction (anatomical molecular or immunologic).Moreover, the transfer of multiple embryos, should they implant, can and all too often does result in triplets or greater (high order multiples) which increases the incidence of maternal pregnancy-induced complications and of premature delivery with its serious risks to the newborn. It is for this reason that I rarely recommend the transfer of more than 2 embryos at a time and am moving in the direction of advising single embryo transfers ā¦especially when it comes to transferring embryos derived through the fertilization of eggs from young women.
4.Implantation Dysfunction (ID): Implantation dysfunction is a very common (often overlooked) cause of āunexplainedā IVF failure. This is especially the case in young ovulating women who have normal ovarian reserve and have fertile partners. Failure to identify, typify, and address such issues is, in my opinion, an unfortunate and relatively common cause of repeated IVF failure in such women. Common sense dictates that if ultrasound guided embryo transfer is performed competently and yet repeated IVF attempts fail to propagate a viable pregnancy, implantation dysfunction must be seriously considered. Yet ID is probably the most overlooked factor. The most common causes of implantation dysfunction are:
a.Aā thin uterine liningā
b.A uterus with surface lesions in the cavity (polyps, fibroids, scar tissue)
c.Immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID)
d.Endocrine/molecular endometrial receptivity issues
Certain causes of infertility are repetitive and thus cannot readily be reversed. Examples include advanced age of the woman; severe male infertility; immunologic infertility associated with alloimmune implantation dysfunction (especially if it is a ācomplete DQ alpha genetic match between partners plus uterine natural killer cell activation (NKa).
I strongly recommend that you visit http://www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the āsearch barā. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. āClickā and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
ā¢The IVF Journey: The importance of āPlanning the Tripā Before Taking the Rideā
ā¢Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
ā¢IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo ācompetencyā during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS)
ā¢The Fundamental Requirements for Achieving Optimal IVF Success
ā¢Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
ā¢Ovarian Stimulation in Women Who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): Introducing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion protocol
ā¢Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
ā¢Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
ā¢The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
ā¢Blastocyst Embryo Transfers should be the Standard of Care in IVF
ā¢IVF: How Many Attempts should be considered before Stopping?
ā¢āUnexplainedā Infertility: Often a matter of the Diagnosis Being Overlooked!
ā¢IVF Failure and Implantation Dysfunction:
ā¢The Role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 1-Background
ā¢Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 2- Making a Diagnosis
ā¢Immunologic Dysfunction (IID) & Infertility (IID): PART 3-Treatment
ā¢Thyroid autoantibodies and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
ā¢Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction: Importance of Meticulous Evaluation and Strategic Management š Case Report)
ā¢Intralipid and IVIG therapy: Understanding the Basis for its use in the Treatment of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID)
ā¢Intralipid (IL) Administration in IVF: Itās Composition; how it Works; Administration; Side-effects; Reactions and Precautions
ā¢Natural Killer Cell Activation (NKa) and Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction in IVF: The Controversy!
ā¢Endometrial Thickness, Uterine Pathology and Immunologic Factors
ā¢Vaginally Administered Viagra is Often a Highly Effective Treatment to Help Thicken a Thin Uterine Lining
ā¢Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas:
ā¢A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
ā¢How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF?
ā¢The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
If you are interested in seeking my advice or services, I urge you to contact my concierge, Julie Dahan ASAP to set up a Skype or an in-person consultation with me. You can also contact Julie by phone or via email at 702-533-2691/ Julied@sherivf.com You can also apply online at http://www.SherIVF.com .
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Geoffrey Sher MD
Hi Dr. Sher,
I had a 5 day FET (we did CCS) on 12/27/17 and my first HCG was 167 on 1/5/18, my second 780 on 1/8/18 and my third only 860 on 1/10/18. Is there a chance this pregnancy could progress normally? If not, is there a syndrome or issue that commonly starts out with HCG skyrocketing and then slowing?
Thank you.
It is possible that you are spontaneously reducing down from a multiple pregnancy. Alternatively this pregnancy could be failing…nly time will tell!
G-d bless and good luck!
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr. Sher. Iām 37 with two failed cycles. My next options are either short protocol 450 menopur or āmild ivfā of clomid and 225 menopur. Iām late thirties low amh of 5 pmol. Iām wary of the max drugs again as Iāve tried 300 menopur 150 gonal f and only got 3 eggs. Would less stims give me the same result but better quality or would it just give me even less eggs? Donāt know what to do.
Hello Dr Sher, I am 39 yrs old with AFC of 14 and AMH of 1.15 – which protocol would you recommend, pure Menopur or mixed with Gonal F at my age and given AMH etc? And which is a more likely prediction of no. of mature eggs, AFC or AMH? Also what is the ideal size of follicles you would trigger with – I read somewhere 18mm most on average. Thanks, Simone